• To interrogate the Sikhs, a round log of wood is placed on their legs, and after putting heavy weight on the log it is rotated on the legs.
• Chilly powder is sprinkled in the eyes and sex organs of the Sikhs.
• Sikhs are hung upside down from the ceilings till they became unconscious.
• The body joints are battered.
• Electric shocks are administered to the genitals making most of the youth impotent
• Sikh women, during interrogation, are hurt in their sex organs. Filthy abuse is showered on them.
• Violence is inflicted on the parents in presence of their sons and daughters and vice-versa.
• Brothers are forced to beat sisters and vice versa. violence is inflicted on adult girls after stripping them naked and their sex organs are damaged. They are sexually assaulted, pregnancies are terminated of the expectant females. 
• Crotchets are pulled apart.
• The victims of inhuman violence are made to sit naked in winter, and under the sun in summer, kept sleepless for days in solitary cells.
• Sikhs are subjected to severe beatings and filthy abuse in the presence of their village folks.
• Dead bodies of Sikhs killed in fake encounters are not handed over to their parents to conceal marks of excessive violence
• The state manipulates tailored post mortem reports from the doctors, and burns the dead bodies of the Sikhs after falsely declaring them unclaimed.
• All sorts of excesses are made on the parents of underground Sikh youths.
• Indiscriminate atrocities are committed on the parents of the underground youth of the area where some militant action takes place.
• Atrocities are committed without caring for one's age, health, life or death. If some one luckily survives such brutal excesses, it is well and good But if one dies while under "interrogation", then such a dead body is taken out, pierced with some bullets, and a news item is sent that a dreaded terrorist has been shot dead in an encounter
• Houses of underground Sikh youths are demolished, their belongings are looted, crops destroyed, their tube well motors are taken away, and they are prevented from sowing crops.
• Even animals of the families of underground Sikh youth are subjected to police anger. After summoning the families to the police station, villagers are told not to take care of the animals of the families of the underground youth. Generally the animals starve to death. 
• False cases are registered against innocent Sikh youths, later they are let off taking fat bribes.
• Reporters giving true reports are arrested, an undeclared censorship is imposed on them to stop them from exposing police atrocities.
• Peaceful protests by the Human rights organizations are prohibited.
• Press is used to launch vicious and false propaganda against the Sikhs.
• Hardened criminals are inducted into Sikh movement to help in arresting the Sikh revolutionaries and sabotage the movement. Such criminals are inducted to tarnish the fair name of the Sikh revolutionaries are now called the "Black Cats" in the Punjab. Under SSP Izhar Alam, such criminal gangs were named the "Alam Sena." Besides, such police sponsored bands of criminals also operated under the name of Panthic Tiger Force and "Red Brigade." The director general of the police himself admitted about the "Black Cats" bands. In his interview to the India Today on Sept. 15, 188, KPS Gill had announced without an iota of shame that the security forces in Punjab cannot do anything without the help of secret bands (Black Cats).
• Thousands of innocent pilgrims, children, females, aged people, who got encircled in the Golden Temple during Operation Bluestar were made to die through starvation and thirst. The whole of Punjab was converted into a vast jail by clamping curfew on the entire area. The army bulletin branded all Amritdhaaree's as terrorists.
• Indian army desecrated the Gurdwaras and committed such atrocities on the Sikhs that even the soul of Ahmed Shah Abdali might have felt ashamed of.
• The targets of army guns were none else but religious persons, devotees, pilgrims, ladies, old people, children or some militants whom the Indian government deemed as terrorists. 
• No neutral observer was allowed to take stock of the situation.
• The injured during the attack on the Golden Temple were subjected to extreme partiality. Whereas every assistance and facility was made available to the injured army personnel, there was no such provision for the wounded belonging to the other side.
• The number of prisoners taken was rather small. There is ample scope for doubt that the Indian army had thought it better to eliminate the thousands of people seized in the Golden Temple instead of taking them prisoners or having to provide them with medical assistance.
• No need was felt to perform religious rites for the dead pilgrims and devotees.
• Before consigning the dead bodies to flames, no effort was made to identify them. No relatives were informed.
• No dead bodies were handed over to the next of kin. In such a situation only the dead or those wishing to be dead could be present at the last rites.
• All dead bodies were placed in heaps and then con- signed to flames. IT was never insured that among the dead there could also be some Muslim devotees. To cremate is against the tenets of Islam.
• No need was felt to give a list of the dead to the Red Cross or any other International Agency
• Despite such atrocities, no commission was appointed to go into this dark episode. Even the British, the foreign rulers, had cared to appoint the Hunter commission to inquire into the Jallianwalla Massacre which was of a much less magnitude on the other hand. The Indian government, on the other hand, took all steps to hide the excesses of the army.

Quote from: Pawan ਜੱtt on May 01, 2011, 12:03:20 PM

Where is your SOURCE for this information? What you posted sounds worst than what Hitler did to the jews, but tera source kithe ah? Pata ni kehri fadu website to copy/paste kita. Lagda Khalistan ne tenu te fateh nu pagal kar dita. Jithe wi dekho bas Dow k*** khalistan hi p***** jande ah. Thanu Doma nu samage nahi aundi ke koi wi eis board the khalistan wich interested nahi ah.

pawan thoda control kar ke gal karo .........
gallan kadan di ki lod pe gyi .....
tu eteh pardhan lagga aa sareya da jinu jo boln aapi bol layuga.........

Samjhdari di gal ta nahi. Par har bar pyar nal post karan nal kam nahi bandha. Ease tara de lokh hi punjab da thala la rahe ne. Eis tara diyan galat gallan karan nal hi dharam uthey punjab wich larayian hundiyan ne. Why? Because there are so many uneducated people in Punjab. Once they read or hear something, they immediately think its true when its not. 

Where is your SOURCE for this information? What you posted sounds worst than what Hitler did to the jews, but tera source kithe ah? Pata ni kehri fadu website to copy/paste kita. Lagda Khalistan ne tenu te fateh nu pagal kar dita. Jithe wi dekho bas Dow kute khalistan hi poonki jande ah. Thanu Doma nu samage nahi aundi ke koi wi eis board the khalistan wich interested nahi ah.

What I want to ask all of you guys is this - Specially Tezy ji, GS ji.

WHAT IS THE POINT ??? Fine I am not going to challenge what you wrote in this post. I know that it happened... agreed that what you have up there is all truth.

So What are you trying to say to the audience here of average age prob 20/21? What do you want them to do with this information. Start hating Indian Government? Start hating all Hindus/other Indians? Half of the guys here are not even in India, so all they prob will do is hate their hindu neighbor/other Indian religions working/living with them.

Does this topic belong in KNOWLEDGE??? What knowledge is this for the forum. You just put some blood boiling facts there ... wat next? I believe the way this information is presented will do no good. All it will do is sow random hate seeds in people who read this. Is that wat you are trying to do here?

Stating the problem is no solution. I would have liked if some of you geniuses had proposed some solutions here rather than making it look like SIKH against everyone else.  This is just ridiculous and disrespect to even the kurbani of all those ppl.

 : : Lets be cordial guys ... lets be nice to eat other and maintain peace here.
 

Quote from: •°o.O тîтℓєє O.o°• on May 02, 2011, 10:33:28 PM

What I want to ask all of you guys is this - Specially Tezy ji, GS ji.

WHAT IS THE POINT ??? Fine I am not going to challenge what you wrote in this post. I know that it happened... agreed that what you have up there is all truth.

So What are you trying to say to the audience here of average age prob 20/21? What do you want them to do with this information. Start hating Indian Government? Start hating all Hindus/other Indians? Half of the guys here are not even in India, so all they prob will do is hate their hindu neighbor/other Indian religions working/living with them.

Does this topic belong in KNOWLEDGE??? What knowledge is this for the forum. You just put some blood boiling facts there ... wat next? I believe the way this information is presented will do no good. All it will do is sow random hate seeds in people who read this. Is that wat you are trying to do here?

Stating the problem is no solution. I would have liked if some of you geniuses had proposed some solutions here rather than making it look like SIKH against everyone else.  This is just ridiculous and disrespect to even the kurbani of all those ppl.

 : : Lets be cordial guys ... lets be nice to eat other and maintain peace here.
 

Yes, we should definitely maintain peace and try to discuss everything nicely. Fateh, by calling people "chamars", you're only showing how oblivious you are to Sikhi.

About the questions, I didn't post the information, but I can give some views on this...

- Purpose: You can post this information at any place/forum, and people are so ignorant of what happened, that they will mostly claim it is false. As it happens on this forum time and time again. So one purpose this information serves is opening some eyes once the discussion develops. I surely hope NyPunjabi will not in the future claim that these are baseless facts.

- Hatred: In my view, the way _fateh_ posts, he's definitely trying to incite hatred (calling people chamars, etc). The way Tezy posts, he's in the middle, sometimes he's trying to create awareness and sometimes it is sadly inciting (when he feels he's being ignored). You all can judge my own behavior of course. Since you asked me these questions, my answer is if I were to ever present the information in this topic, I would want it to have a similar eye-opening effect. I would in the end ask, if this happened to your family, would you consider alternative views on 1984... etc? Would you be more proactive in sharing information about 1984? I don't want anybody to hate any religion. I don't want anybody to want to attack anybody. I would just hope that for once, people can collectively acknowledge it, rather than deny it as if it is taboo...

- Why all this: Do people ask why the World War 2 offenses against Jews are taught in history over and over again with detail? It is so that stuff like that never happens again. So that history never repeats itself. So that the next time this 1984 happens, people in Germany/Delhi/Punjab/world don't become spectators/bystanders.

- Hinduism: We all have Hindu friends. Some of us are hindus. Nobody needs to hate on any religion. In fact, the first time in this post the word Hindu was mentioned, it was in your post. So in your interest, I'll assume that you're addressing the wide range of topics that have appeared rather than this specific topic.

Finally, thanks for giving me the chance to post this. I never get to do enough monotonous speeches. :)

Quote from: Pawan ਜੱtt on May 02, 2011, 11:03:57 AM

Samjhdari di gal ta nahi. Par har bar pyar nal post karan nal kam nahi bandha. Ease tara de lokh hi punjab da thala la rahe ne. Eis tara diyan galat gallan karan nal hi dharam uthey punjab wich larayian hundiyan ne. Why? Because there are so many uneducated people in Punjab. Once they read or hear something, they immediately think its true when its not. 

Quote from: Pawan ਜੱtt on May 01, 2011, 12:03:20 PM

Where is your SOURCE for this information? What you posted sounds worst than what Hitler did to the jews, but tera source kithe ah? Pata ni kehri fadu website to copy/paste kita. Lagda Khalistan ne tenu te fateh nu pagal kar dita. Jithe wi dekho bas Dow kute khalistan hi poonki jande ah. Thanu Doma nu samage nahi aundi ke koi wi eis board the khalistan wich interested nahi ah.

Regular folks don't really cite sources. It's good that you asked, it has given me the opportunity to chime in.

This information is widely available and documented by human rights activites. List:
- Good book to read by Mahmood, Cynthia Keppley, 1996, Fighting for Faith and Nation: Dialogues with Sikh Militants. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press.
- Good websites: http://www.ensaaf.org (it's not a propaganda website, read about the staff/history/successes page), and good editorials in 1984 and I section in http://www.sikhchic.com/1984 (also read about the authors if you have doubts about their integrity)

About Cynthia Mahmood (the author), she was assaulted, beaten and raped by the Indian police for trying to do research on the topic of Punjab. Here's the article about what happened, please read it bro: [/color]http://sikhchic.com/article-detail.php?cat=21&id=817

If you need more sources/information, let me know.

It's easy to say pro-khalistanis are fundamentalists or this or that. But you cannot hide the truths of the times. So you say nobody is interested in this forum, I understand. Like
♥ ♥ K@ljuG d@ MiRz@ ♥ ♥ said, people come here to have fun, so I understand. But you shouldn't call them dogs for trying to spread information.

It just hurts to see that everybody have their predisposed bias. Most haven't read the history, so they'll question stuff that has been established time and time again by human rights activists and research (ps: read about Jaswant Singh Khalra). Some automatically connect the word Khalistan to be haters and liars, etc.

no wonder after reading GS reply pawan couldnt reply... next time pawan please watch before spitting something rude.. its an open forum if u have no interets in a topic,, just ignore it, u dont have to reply it untill n unless its worth replying... thanx