te je kudia na hundiya te munde kihtoo hune si  hehheheheheheheheh

janwara de hone si munde...

What I know is that an inanimate object that does not spread any knowledge will not help?  The continual of such a tradition will further result in the next generation not seeing much either. What is it that you understand from bowing to an idol? Bowing to knowledge is one thing, now compare that with bowing to a figure that somebody thought up.  God is formless, why are we assigning forms to Him?  God is everywhere, why are we not bowing to (anything else you can think up)?  God is timeless, why are we restricting Him to the past (as is done with an idol)?  By worshipping an idol, we are restricting God. When you think God, what do you want to think? An idol which has this and that physical features.  Or do you want to think about the avatar that idol is representing (i.e. Lord Krishna, Brahma, etc.)?

All these arguments are further explained here (which uses quotes from Guru Granth Sahib ji and Guru Gobind Singh ji's texts).  I urge you to please read.

I'm not bent on changing people to believe what only I think. There are people that do not believe in God, some see God in a stone, some in the dead, etc.  I only proclaim that Sikhs are guided by their Gurus (according to the these quotes) to not fall short when trying to reach God. I cannot teach anybody else, but I can make realize to a person who believes in the Sikh philosophy what the Gurus showed.

Please understand that I'm not telling Hindus to do anything, I'm only telling people who subscribe to Gursikhi what to do.  This is not to say that whatever Gursikhi is, it is not for others to follow (that is your own choice).

Lastly, please do not think that I am holier than anybody here.  I am a hypocrite of the greatest degree, I perfectly know that I am a victim of lust, anger, greed, attachment and pride, yet I do not do enough to break from them.  I talk big words (evidence above), but my actions are worthless.  I am probably the lowest one here, because even though I read Nanak's message, I am still the useless idiot who does not do anything to change.

regarding idol worship and picture worship...
question is... were there pictures and paintings at that time too or it was idols only?

because idols are basically 3d pictures at the end of it...

lol and talking about worshiping stones
we should really go to hatt sahib and see whats happening there :-)

Matha tekna fotoyan ja murtiya nu iko gal aa (jida ke tusi samjhaya: 3 dimensional pic = idol).  Te Sikh falasfey vich dona da koi matlab nahi.  Tusi hatt sahib di gal karde aa. Othey Guru Nanak Dev ji de pathar paye ne, jina naal oh lokan nu "tera tera" karde unginat anaz (food) deh rahe si.  Hun oss gurdware'ch oh pathar sirf ek Guru sahib di nishani layi paye aa.  Ohna nu matha tek ke kisey nu ki miljana, kuch vi nahi.

I can't believe that in this day and age, I have to explain to people that knowledge of God (the shabad, the word) is more important than a picture or statue depicting some creative physical features.  This should be easy to grasp.

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bhaji hun dasso mera ki kasoor ah.je ohna ne vadia likhia ah tan tussi ohna nu vote karo

yaar mein tan karti si vote.  Par tun apeyi apna gana parh, te apeyi soch ehde vich Bindrakhiye di ki gal aa?  Tun samjhdar aa yaar, bahut vadiya vadiya cheeza post karda forum te.  Par eh gal teri marhi aa, tahi mein keha tenu.

powerlifter, ehna kuch oye?  Sare janamdin ajj hi mana dene?

haha Janamdin Mubarak Girl, Sweet Girl... (007 style)

aa sari kitaab pinka ji ne aap likhi aa  :hehe:

Aho, Powerlifter de weight lighting tips utte likhi aa.  Ehde vich tuhanu daseya javega ke kehda tel kadon kehde patt te launa hai.  Ehde vich eh vi daseya geya hai ke kis din nahauna hai, te kis din mooh nahi dhona. Spread the word.

und me?

Nachna aunda? Je nahi aunda fer vi koi ni, tera modeling de bhoot nu jaroor asin record karvauna.

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Like right now, I cannot see your email address.

Sherni: "jaljaneya kade ghar varhjeya ghar, har vele galiyan'ch kutteyan wangu ghumda rehna"
Sher: :(