Eh topic specially main Punjabi Singh ji layee likh rahi haan....
Actually ohnaa ne ek thread ch CHICKEN di pic post kiti c...te main ohnaa nu tokeyaa c...ke ehnoo ethe naa post karo... So main ohnaa nu aawde views v dassnaa chaundi Non-Veg baare... See main nikki hundi.. 5th-6th tak...khaandi howaangi meat....because mere Papa te brother khaande ne.... Parr haan mere mamma nahi like karde...Papa khud hi banaande ne..

ohde baad main chhadd dita...mere ek school teacher de kehn te...te ohde baad te ganda laggan lagg geyaa mainu te main kadi ni khaa saki..

te baaki saareyaa nu v..ke dekh lavo mere koll bahut Gyaan hai  :hehe:

Hun mere view Dassan ton Pehle Gurubani Ki Kehndi hai es baare..eh parde haan

Against Eating Non-Veg



In Favor------------------------ 

Eh Ank Poora Padhna Guru Nanak Dev ji ne likheyaa hoyaa...

ਸਲੋਕ ਮਃ ੧ ॥
सलोक मः १ ॥

Shalok, First Mehl:

ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਨਿੰਮਿਆ ਮਾਸੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਵਾਸੁ ॥
पहिलां मासहु निमिआ मासै अंदरि वासु ॥

First, the mortal is conceived in the flesh, and then he dwells in the flesh.

ਜੀਉ ਪਾਇ ਮਾਸੁ ਮੁਹਿ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਹਡੁ ਚੰਮੁ ਤਨੁ ਮਾਸੁ ॥
जीउ पाइ मासु मुहि मिलिआ हडु चमु तनु मासु ॥

When he comes alive, his mouth takes flesh; his bones, skin and body are flesh.

ਮਾਸਹੁ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਕਢਿਆ ਮੰਮਾ ਮਾਸੁ ਗਿਰਾਸੁ ॥
मासहु बाहरि कढिआ ममा मासु गिरासु ॥

He comes out of the womb of flesh, and takes a mouthful of flesh at the breast.

ਮੁਹੁ ਮਾਸੈ ਕਾ ਜੀਭ ਮਾਸੈ ਕੀ ਮਾਸੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਾਸੁ ॥
मुहु मासै का जीभ मासै की मासै अंदरि सासु ॥

His mouth is flesh, his tongue is flesh; his breath is in the flesh.

ਵਡਾ ਹੋਆ ਵੀਆਹਿਆ ਘਰਿ ਲੈ ਆਇਆ ਮਾਸੁ ॥
वडा होआ वीआहिआ घरि लै आइआ मासु ॥

He grows up and is married, and brings his wife of flesh into his home.

ਮਾਸਹੁ ਹੀ ਮਾਸੁ ਊਪਜੈ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਸਭੋ ਸਾਕੁ ॥
मासहु ही मासु ऊपजै मासहु सभो साकु ॥

Flesh is produced from flesh; all relatives are made of flesh.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਮਿਲਿਐ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਬੁਝੀਐ ਤਾਂ ਕੋ ਆਵੈ ਰਾਸਿ ॥
सतिगुरि मिलिऐ हुकमु बुझीऐ तां को आवै रासि ॥

When the mortal meets the True Guru, and realizes the Hukam of the Lord's Command, then he comes to be reformed.

ਆਪਿ ਛੁਟੇ ਨਹ ਛੂਟੀਐ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਚਨਿ ਬਿਣਾਸੁ ॥੧॥
आपि छुटे नह छूटीऐ नानक बचनि बिणासु ॥१॥

Releasing himself, the mortal does not find release; O Nanak, through empty words, one is ruined. ||1||

ਮਃ ੧ ॥
मः १ ॥

First Mehl:

ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥
मासु मासु करि मूरखु झगड़े गिआनु धिआनु नही जाणै ॥

The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom.

ਕਉਣੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਉਣੁ ਸਾਗੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਕਿਸੁ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਸਮਾਣੇ ॥
कउणु मासु कउणु सागु कहावै किसु महि पाप समाणे ॥

What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin?

ਗੈਂਡਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਹੋਮ ਜਗ ਕੀਏ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੇ ॥
गैंडा मारि होम जग कीए देवतिआ की बाणे ॥

It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering.

ਮਾਸੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਬੈਸਿ ਨਕੁ ਪਕੜਹਿ ਰਾਤੀ ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ॥
मासु छोडि बैसि नकु पकड़हि राती माणस खाणे ॥

Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night.

ਫੜੁ ਕਰਿ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੋ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝੈ ॥
फड़ु करि लोकां नो दिखलावहि गिआनु धिआनु नही सूझै ॥

They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom.

ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਧੇ ਸਿਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਬੂਝੈ ॥
नानक अंधे सिउ किआ कहीऐ कहै न कहिआ बूझै ॥

O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.

ਅੰਧਾ ਸੋਇ ਜਿ ਅੰਧੁ ਕਮਾਵੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਸਿ ਲੋਚਨ ਨਾਹੀ ॥
अंधा सोइ जि अंधु कमावै तिसु रिदै सि लोचन नाही ॥

They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts.

ਮਾਤ ਪਿਤਾ ਕੀ ਰਕਤੁ ਨਿਪੰਨੇ ਮਛੀ ਮਾਸੁ ਨ ਖਾਂਹੀ ॥
मात पिता की रकतु निपंने मछी मासु न खांही ॥

They are produced from the blood of their mothers and fathers, but they do not eat fish or meat.


ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਪੁਰਖੈ ਜਾਂ ਨਿਸਿ ਮੇਲਾ ਓਥੈ ਮੰਧੁ ਕਮਾਹੀ ॥
इसत्री पुरखै जां निसि मेला ओथै मंधु कमाही ॥

But when men and women meet in the night, they come together in the flesh.

ਮਾਸਹੁ ਨਿੰਮੇ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਜੰਮੇ ਹਮ ਮਾਸੈ ਕੇ ਭਾਂਡੇ ॥
मासहु निमे मासहु जमे हम मासै के भांडे ॥

In the flesh we are conceived, and in the flesh we are born; we are vessels of flesh.

ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਕਛੁ ਸੂਝੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਚਤੁਰੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਪਾਂਡੇ ॥
गिआनु धिआनु कछु सूझै नाही चतुरु कहावै पांडे ॥

You know nothing of spiritual wisdom and meditation, even though you call yourself clever, O religious scholar.

ਬਾਹਰ ਕਾ ਮਾਸੁ ਮੰਦਾ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਘਰ ਕਾ ਮਾਸੁ ਚੰਗੇਰਾ ॥
बाहर का मासु मंदा सुआमी घर का मासु चंगेरा ॥

O master, you believe that flesh on the outside is bad, but the flesh of those in your own home is good.

ਜੀਅ ਜੰਤ ਸਭਿ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਹੋਏ ਜੀਇ ਲਇਆ ਵਾਸੇਰਾ ॥
जीअ जंत सभि मासहु होए जीइ लइआ वासेरा ॥

All beings and creatures are flesh; the soul has taken up its home in the flesh.

ਅਭਖੁ ਭਖਹਿ ਭਖੁ ਤਜਿ ਛੋਡਹਿ ਅੰਧੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਜਿਨ ਕੇਰਾ ॥
अभखु भखहि भखु तजि छोडहि अंधु गुरू जिन केरा ॥

They eat the uneatable; they reject and abandon what they could eat. They have a teacher who is blind.

ਮਾਸਹੁ ਨਿੰਮੇ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਜੰਮੇ ਹਮ ਮਾਸੈ ਕੇ ਭਾਂਡੇ ॥
मासहु निमे मासहु जमे हम मासै के भांडे ॥

In the flesh we are conceived, and in the flesh we are born; we are vessels of flesh.

ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਕਛੁ ਸੂਝੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਚਤੁਰੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਪਾਂਡੇ ॥
गिआनु धिआनु कछु सूझै नाही चतुरु कहावै पांडे ॥

You know nothing of spiritual wisdom and meditation, even though you call yourself clever, O religious scholar.

ਮਾਸੁ ਪੁਰਾਣੀ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਤੇਬੀ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗਿ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਮਾਣਾ ॥
मासु पुराणी मासु कतेबीं चहु जुगि मासु कमाणा ॥

Meat is allowed in the Puraanas, meat is allowed in the Bible and the Koran. Throughout the four ages, meat has been used.

ਜਜਿ ਕਾਜਿ ਵੀਆਹਿ ਸੁਹਾਵੈ ਓਥੈ ਮਾਸੁ ਸਮਾਣਾ ॥
जजि काजि वीआहि सुहावै ओथै मासु समाणा ॥

It is featured in sacred feasts and marriage festivities; meat is used in them.

ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਪੁਰਖ ਨਿਪਜਹਿ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹ ਸੁਲਤਾਨਾਂ ॥
इसत्री पुरख निपजहि मासहु पातिसाह सुलतानां ॥

Women, men, kings and emperors originate from meat.

ਜੇ ਓਇ ਦਿਸਹਿ ਨਰਕਿ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਤਾਂ ਉਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਕਾ ਦਾਨੁ ਨ ਲੈਣਾ ॥
जे ओइ दिसहि नरकि जांदे तां उन्ह का दानु न लैणा ॥

If you see them going to hell, then do not accept charitable gifts from them.

ਦੇਂਦਾ ਨਰਕਿ ਸੁਰਗਿ ਲੈਦੇ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਏਹੁ ਧਿਙਾਣਾ ॥
देंदा नरकि सुरगि लैदे देखहु एहु धिङाणा ॥

The giver goes to hell, while the receiver goes to heaven - look at this injustice.

ਆਪਿ ਨ ਬੂਝੈ ਲੋਕ ਬੁਝਾਏ ਪਾਂਡੇ ਖਰਾ ਸਿਆਣਾ ॥
आपि न बूझै लोक बुझाए पांडे खरा सिआणा ॥

You do not understand your own self, but you preach to other people. O Pandit, you are very wise indeed.

ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੂ ਜਾਣੈ ਹੀ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਿਥਹੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਉਪੰਨਾ ॥
पांडे तू जाणै ही नाही किथहु मासु उपंना ॥

O Pandit, you do not know where meat originated.

ਤੋਇਅਹੁ ਅੰਨੁ ਕਮਾਦੁ ਕਪਾਹਾਂ ਤੋਇਅਹੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ ਗੰਨਾ ॥
तोइअहु अंनु कमादु कपाहां तोइअहु त्रिभवणु गंना ॥

Corn, sugar cane and cotton are produced from water. The three worlds came from water.

ਤੋਆ ਆਖੈ ਹਉ ਬਹੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਹਛਾ ਤੋਐ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਿਕਾਰਾ ॥
तोआ आखै हउ बहु बिधि हछा तोऐ बहुतु बिकारा ॥

Water says, "I am good in many ways." But water takes many forms.

ਏਤੇ ਰਸ ਛੋਡਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਸੰਨਿਆਸੀ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕਹੈ ਵਿਚਾਰਾ ॥੨॥
एते रस छोडि होवै संनिआसी नानकु कहै विचारा ॥२॥

Forsaking these delicacies, one becomes a true Sannyaasee, a detached hermit. Nanak reflects and speaks. ||2||

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Hun Mere Views Meat baare ch
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1.Dekho jiwe Baba Nanak kehnde ne...ehnaa jyaada te koi scientist v ni explain kar sakda meat baare...te sachi gall babe Nanak di ke...Saag(VEG) ki hai..te MAAS(MEAT) ki hai..kaun jaanda hai?..aapa hun science ch ehni taraki kar chukke haan..har chhoti cheej ch Jeev ne...so kiwe kahiye ke asi Vegitariran haan?

2.Waheguru ji ne Khud aise jeev banaaye ne jo Sirf non-veg hi khaa sakde ne..jiwe ke LOIN...te fer ki oh paap karda hai?....Insaan donno cheej khaa sakda hai...socho saadi kinni population hai..te mere khyaal ch 70% Non-veg te depend kardi hai..Ki possible hai sab nu Veg food provide karnaa?..ehnaa Anaaj hai saade koll?
--nahi...  Esse layee Insaan dono type de ne..KUCH khande ne te Kuch nahi....

So mere views ch..main kadi kise nu ni samjaandi ke Non-Veg naa khaaoo..bande di aawdi marji hundi hai...parr haan mere ch thodi ji Deyaa waale emotions jyaada ne es layee main kise mare hoye jeev nu khaa ni sakdi...man hi ni kardaa....'coz Gurubani ne v mainu koi final decision ni ditaa ke mainu ki karna chahida hai... So main kuch ni kardi......

Jadon main koi decision lain ch confused howaa te main oh laindee hi nahi..te Waheguru ji te bharosa..karke chhad dindi..ke Jiwe oh chaahan

End te Guru Nanak Dev ji v ehi likhde ne

ਸਲੋਕੁ ਮਃ ੧ ॥
सलोकु मः १ ॥

Shalok, First Mehl:

ਸੀਹਾ ਬਾਜਾ ਚਰਗਾ ਕੁਹੀਆ ਏਨਾ ਖਵਾਲੇ ਘਾਹ ॥
सीहा बाजा चरगा कुहीआ एना खवाले घाह ॥

Tigers, hawks, falcons and eagles-the Lord could make them eat grass.

ਘਾਹੁ ਖਾਨਿ ਤਿਨਾ ਮਾਸੁ ਖਵਾਲੇ ਏਹਿ ਚਲਾਏ ਰਾਹ ॥
घाहु खानि तिना मासु खवाले एहि चलाए राह ॥

And those animals which eat grass-He could make them eat meat. He could make them follow this way of life.

ਨਦੀਆ ਵਿਚਿ ਟਿਬੇ ਦੇਖਾਲੇ ਥਲੀ ਕਰੇ ਅਸਗਾਹ ॥
नदीआ विचि टिबे देखाले थली करे असगाह ॥

He could raise dry land from the rivers, and turn the deserts into bottomless oceans.

ਕੀੜਾ ਥਾਪਿ ਦੇਇ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ ਲਸਕਰ ਕਰੇ ਸੁਆਹ ॥
कीड़ा थापि देइ पातिसाही लसकर करे सुआह ॥

He could appoint a worm as king, and reduce an army to ashes.

ਜੇਤੇ ਜੀਅ ਜੀਵਹਿ ਲੈ ਸਾਹਾ ਜੀਵਾਲੇ ਤਾ ਕਿ ਅਸਾਹ ॥
जेते जीअ जीवहि लै साहा जीवाले ता कि असाह ॥

All beings and creatures live by breathing, but He could keep us alive, even without the breath.

ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਉ ਜਿਉ ਸਚੇ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਉ ਤਿਉ ਦੇਇ ਗਿਰਾਹ ॥੧॥
नानक जिउ जिउ सचे भावै तिउ तिउ देइ गिराह ॥१॥

O Nanak, as it pleases the True Lord, He gives us sustenance. ||1||

ssa mirchi,

very interessting topic tussi banayee a..
te kafi helpfull vi.. kahi time pehla .. main vi ehi sawal pucheya si PJ te..
main tan meat chad deta.. cos i think.. theek nai hega meat khaan nu..
anways thanks for the information

rab rakha,

 =D> =D> =D> =D> bebe tu bhohat vadhya topic stat kitta me bhi sikh ha te no veg nahi kanda kyon ki gurbani ch mana kitta ghe hai

bebe meri sis gurbani padhi bhohat one dasea c menu one 3 var sri guru granth sahib ji da path kitta a onu kafi noleg a

haan te Upar main jo likheyaa oh padh naa........Oh Guru Granth Sahib ji chon hi hai.....

khud v padh layengaa..te ki ghat jaavoo  huh1: huh1:

eh naa Har Ek di aawdi aawdi Samaj hundi aa..kise nu kiwe samaj lagdi aa kise nu kiwe...

Hun main ehi sab Punjabi ch search karke v paste kardi haan ruk
 :wait: :wait:

Actually Prof. Sahib Singh daa Likheyaa Hoyaa Steek...ohde ch sab ton Sahi arth kite hunde ne..so oh post karaaangi

Jyaada Changgi tarah knowledge layee eh Link te padho

Ethe bahut jyaada correct arth hunde ne


1.Against  waalaa :

 Guru Granth Sahib ji de 2 Ank ton leyaa Geyaa hai

   written by Guru Arjun Dev ji
  Ank no.  Page 723 ,Line 14

And Kabeer ji
  Ank 1377 line no. 4
 
2. Favor waala part..es page te hai


http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/1289.html

parr visible sirf internet explorer ch hoyegaa


Eh Sab Ank no.s dite ne... So Guru Granth Sahib ji ton padh sakde ho...te eh Gurubani ch...koi Pakka decision ni dita geyaa...donno hi galla likhiyaa ne.. Baaki har ek di aawdi aawdi samaj hundi hai... Koi Sakhat manaahi v nahi hai..

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  eh kamm hun tusi karo dev ji    :angry: :angry: :angry:

saare kamm main thodi karaan.....chalo karo translate ehnoooooooo

 :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:  nahi oh neeche link ditaa naa...aawdi previous post padho....us link te

Teeka Hai Prof. Darshan Singh ji da likheyaa hoyaa...othe cmplete punjabi ch hai..but u can read in internet explorer onlyyyyyyyyyyy

thankuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu  :superhappy: :superhappy:

as always preet ji meri hath jor ke fateh kabul karo
and as always tuhada topic bhut vadia laggia
and tuhade views bhut hi jyada vadia lagge chahe tusi grbani de arth hi kite par eh v har koi ni kar sakda na main v nhi kar sakda
aaj mainu lagda pia ki main ta hle bhut chota
bhut kuch sikhna main life ch
i gave u thanku for this beautiful view of urs
har roj tusi ik bhut vadia topic le ke aunde o kive karde o eh sab
hun main topic bare apne vichar likhda

main non veg nhi kahnda bcoz menu like ni eh sab isde 2 reason ne
1.mera pet khrab ho janda c khan naal
2. menu ida lagda jive main kise de bache nu maar ke kha riha hova

par jive preet ji ne likhya c kise hor post ch ki 2 alag alag type de persons v frend ho sakde ne ta main ehi kehnda jo non veg khande ne oh v koi bure nhi ne sab apni apni tha sahi ne
main ik apni soch tuhde naal share karda

sahi te galat di ki defination hundi hai
i think asi sahi usnu kehnde a jo sade marji mutabik hove te jo cheez sanu lagda sade lai odd hai unsu asi galat keh dende a
hun har ik di apni soch hndi hai
kise lai koi ik kamm changa v hunda te 2je lai oh kamm bura v ho sakda
jis tra je main india ch reh ke drink nhi karda ta menu lagda main shi a
je koi mera frend door kite cool area ch rehnda hai ta osnu apne desh de fashion de mutabik kade kade drink kana v painda hai ta mian isnu galat ni kehnda
han je koi india ch reh ke drink karda bad oh v nhi hai ki pta usnda koi apna reason hove drink karna lai
je main aaj drink karda ta manu jrorr eh lagge ga ki main galat a
so kiha sunya maaf karna ji
i think we aal are right bass thoda soch da diffrence hunda te sanu  sab nu understand karna chahida
bhull chukk di khima mangda hoya
inder

It is a useless argument to say eating non-vegetarian/meat will make you a bad person or anything bad.  We eat to stay alive.

I fully support the argument posted by Preeto/Bebe/etc that shows that Guru Nanak Dev ji did not care for what food you eat, as long as there is simplicity. We eat to stay alive, like Guru Nanak Dev ji says God could've made any animal a vegetarian, God could've made you a vegetarian and I a non-vegetarian, it does not matter what we eat.  What matters is if you remember God when you eat (and at all times), if you thank God for letting us survive/live another day.  Eh rizak sab ohda ditta... "Tera ditta khawna"

Thank you preeto ji for posting this argument.  In the end, Guru Nanak Dev ji kehnde ne ke sirf moorakh hi eh sochda hai ke kuch khaan ja naa khaan naal tuhadi bhagti/spiritual-life vich kami aa sakdi hai.

ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥
मासु मासु करि मूरखु झगड़े गिआनु धिआनु नही जाणै ॥

The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom.

It is a useless argument to say eating non-vegetarian/meat will make you a bad person or anything bad.  We eat to stay alive.

I fully support the argument posted by Preeto/Bebe/etc that shows that Guru Nanak Dev ji did not care for what food you eat, as long as there is simplicity. We eat to stay alive, like Guru Nanak Dev ji says God could've made any animal a vegetarian, God could've made you a vegetarian and I a non-vegetarian, it does not matter what we eat.  What matters is if you remember God when you eat (and at all times), if you thank God for letting us survive/live another day.  Eh rizak sab ohda ditta... "Tera ditta khawna"

Thank you preeto ji for posting this argument.  In the end, Guru Nanak Dev ji kehnde ne ke sirf moorakh hi eh sochda hai ke kuch khaan ja naa khaan naal tuhadi bhagti/spiritual-life vich kami aa sakdi hai.

  a perfect ans...that was exactly i was lookin for.........   =D> =D>

bohat saral tarike nal tusi arth das dite.......