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Pawan, my bf called  you a stupid guy and yes, it does make you less of a sikh if you don't wear a turban and have a beard.  :  If you're wondering, i told him about a sikh dude online(referring to you and your post, because you actually spoke from experience).




I'm still against the idea but, he's not going to change his mind.  :break: :angry:  Right now, he looks like a badass i reckon.  :D: 

w/e then kill someone over religion. No one ever told me or anyone that I know that they are less of a sikh because they don't wear a turban. Like I said people are too crazy about religion overseas. I don't consider my self a very religion person, but I still believe in god and go to temple. Go to a temple and find out yourself, you are less likely to see young boys wearing turbans. Do people tell them to leave temple? No, Because were in 21st century not 15th century. I know a person is suppose to wear a turban, but my post was an OPINION not from a book.

and its a shame on our religion that you dont see very many young people following it ...just because you wear a turban and you dont cut your hair doesnt make you any more of a sikh...like Gill_SS has posted and said several times that inorder to be a proper sikh and to be call a sikh you need to follow rahet..and the reason people don't tell you to leave temple is not because your not sikh or just cause your hair cut BUT it is because our religion welcomes everyone and doesn't descriminate, however, there are set of rules for one to follow.  I'm sorry if it was that easy being a sikh then why are there so many sacrifices made to save sikhism?
 
i understand that its ur own opinion ...but the way you present your opinion it can send out misleading information on Sikhism.

Almost every religion has sacrifices, but what about those so called proper sikhs with turbans, who drink alcohol everyday? And What about those patthi's who are caught watching porn on their phones and secretly drinking when they are suppose to be reading guru granth sahib. Two days ago there was a fight for pardangi at our local guardwara. They all picked up swords, Six people got arrested and one got seriously injured. Just because you wear a turban does not make you a proper sikh. There are very few people in this world, who are proper sikhs. Does that make me a better sikh than all of these people who drink and do all these things wearing a turban?

i''ll try to answer each point...

Almost every religion has sacrifices,

Really? First of all I don’t agree with that statement. And  if we do take in consideration that every religion has made sacrifices…Sikhism is the only religion that I have read about which has people who went through the worst cruelty an human being can think of not only for their own religions sake but for another religion (Sri Guru Teg Bahadur Ji- sacrificed his life to save Hinduism). And yeah if it was so easy to become a sikh and not follow the rules that are set to be a “proper sikh” as you say…then why did Bhai Taru Singh Ji, got his scalp scraped but refused to cut his hair.  Yeah possibly, it was due to because rules which he lived by mattered more than his life to him. (Note: sacrifices included, getting your scalp scraped..kids were cut into pieces and thrown into mothers laps so they can give up on their religion and it goes on and on you can go read about it at your own time.)

but what about those so called proper sikhs with turbans, who drink alcohol everyday?

Like I said before, wearing a turban doesn’t make you a sikh. If you do follow the rules that are set…you wouldn’t be drinking alcohol to start with.

And What about those patthi's who are caught watching porn on their phones and secretly drinking when they are suppose to be reading guru granth sahib.

Now that’s because most of us don’t understand how valuable our religion/culture is to us and we take it for granted and we don’t follow the rules..and its pretty sad.

Two days ago there was a fight for pardangi at our local guardwara. They all picked up swords, Six people got arrested and one got seriously injured. Just because you wear a turban does not make you a proper sikh. There are very few people in this world, who are proper sikhs.

Like I said being a sikh has nothing to do with ur appearance. There are RULES! Which are set from the time of Guru JI and if one can not follow them..they have no right to call themselves a Sikh. That’s how it is. If you can’t deal with it, its your problem you can go read about it. Just someone who happens to wear a turban and “looks” like a sikh doesn’t make them a sikh…it’s the deeds you make and the rehat you have to follow…Dasam Patsah ji ne hi keha “menu sikh nalo rehat pyari” …that explains it all :)

Does that make me a better sikh than all of these people who drink and do all these things wearing a turban?

That one is answered above.

Quote from: Pawan ਜੱtt on April 25, 2011, 05:18:23 PM

Almost every religion has sacrifices, but what about those so called proper sikhs with turbans, who drink alcohol everyday? And What about those patthi's who are caught watching porn on their phones and secretly drinking when they are suppose to be reading guru granth sahib. Two days ago there was a fight for pardangi at our local guardwara. They all picked up swords, Six people got arrested and one got seriously injured. Just because you wear a turban does not make you a proper sikh. There are very few people in this world, who are proper sikhs. Does that make me a better sikh than all of these people who drink and do all these things wearing a turban?

i''ll try to answer each point...

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Almost every religion has sacrifices,

Really? First of all I don’t agree with that statement. And  if we do take in consideration that every religion has made sacrifices…Sikhism is the only religion that I have read about which has people who went through the worst cruelty an human being can think of not only for their own religions sake but for another religion (Sri Guru Teg Bahadur Ji- sacrificed his life to save Hinduism). And yeah if it was so easy to become a sikh and not follow the rules that are set to be a “proper sikh” as you say…then why did Bhai Taru Singh Ji, got his scalp scraped but refused to cut his hair.  Yeah possibly, it was due to because rules which he lived by mattered more than his life to him. (Note: sacrifices included, getting your scalp scraped..kids were cut into pieces and thrown into mothers laps so they can give up on their religion and it goes on and on you can go read about it at your own time.)

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but what about those so called proper sikhs with turbans, who drink alcohol everyday?

Like I said before, wearing a turban doesn’t make you a sikh. If you do follow the rules that are set…you wouldn’t be drinking alcohol to start with.

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And What about those patthi's who are caught watching porn on their phones and secretly drinking when they are suppose to be reading guru granth sahib.

Now that’s because most of us don’t understand how valuable our religion/culture is to us and we take it for granted and we don’t follow the rules..and its pretty sad.

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Two days ago there was a fight for pardangi at our local guardwara. They all picked up swords, Six people got arrested and one got seriously injured. Just because you wear a turban does not make you a proper sikh. There are very few people in this world, who are proper sikhs.

Like I said being a sikh has nothing to do with ur appearance. There are RULES! Which are set from the time of Guru JI and if one can not follow them..they have no right to call themselves a Sikh. That’s how it is. If you can’t deal with it, its your problem you can go read about it. Just someone who happens to wear a turban and “looks” like a sikh doesn’t make them a sikh…it’s the deeds you make and the rehat you have to follow…Dasam Patsah ji ne hi keha “menu sikh nalo rehat pyari” …that explains it all :)

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Does that make me a better sikh than all of these people who drink and do all these things wearing a turban?

That one is answered above.

wah gi wah, tusi te sanu puri sikhism di history hi sikha dity. Per man gyae gi, pura argument hi khatam kar dita.

Have a question. In the sikhism bible, he told me, that it's required(a MUST do) that a person wears a turban, grows a beard and follows all the 5 k's. Can anyone who read the bible confirm this?

Have a question. In the sikhism bible, he told me, that it's required(a MUST do) that a person wears a turban, grows a beard and follows all the 5 k's. Can anyone who read the bible confirm this?

The Sikh Holy Scripture is called Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ...well I haven't personally read it because I haven't learned to read and its difficult certain words are pronounced certain way...just cause you know punjabi doesn't mean you are capable of reading and understanding Sri GUru Granth Sahib ji...just because its so meaningful and every word means something very powerful from what i understand.  From what i understand, a sikh is not complete until they have made commitment to follow Sikhism according to the Sikh Rehat Maryada (The Code of Sikh Conduct). Once one is ready to follow those rules, that person has to live their life by those rules and that does include getting Amrit and keeping the 5K's along with the prayers. I don't have proper words to explain it to you so i'm going to post something from another site..hopefully that helps :-)
 

"According to Sikhism, the mission of human life is the attainment of God and the realization is possible by observing the principles of truth in their true spirit. It is desired of a Sikh to live upto the discipline of Bani (Nam Simran) and Bana (Wearing of Five Kakars and keeping piety of outlook) to attain the ultimate goal.

 
Sikh code of conduct provides social, cultural, religious and spiritual precepts for governance of Khalsa corporate life. Sikh faith is established on observance of the principles and rules formulated by the Sikh Gurus in the true sense.
 
Sikhism is a way of life and the game of love needs truth and commitment on that way. In micro sense, Sikhism is concerned with individual life style (Gurmat and Reht Maryada style of life) of a Sikh but in macro sense, it is concerned with his corporate style of life (Sangat, Pangat, supermacy of Akal Takht and Wand Chhakna etc)conducted and governed truely at all the times and at all the places and in every behaviour according to the Word of God.
 
Sikhism is a way of life which believes in pure and pious living. It is a dynamic and practical religion. It has got certain principles and discipline to follow. More important than belief in the principles of the Sikh faith is the actual practice of the teachings of the Gurus. There are set rules and ways for the ideal life in Sikhism which determine Sikh beliefs and practices.
 
Sikh Code of Conduct is called Sikh Rehat Maryada. It is a manual and code of discipline for the followers of Sikh faith for social, moral, religious, spiritual and general living. According to the Sikh code of conduct published in 1945 by Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee Amritsar, a Sikh must practice the concept of Bani (Spiritual life) and Bana (Uniform with Five Kakars). He must live upto the Internal and External code of conduct.
 
Internal Rehat Maryada means living a pure, pious and spiritual inner life. External Rehat Maryada means the outer code of conduct and visible living of virtuous life (Bani & Bana ie. Norm and Form)
 
Rehat Maryada literally means “the code of conduct or way of life”. Reht means mode of living or conduct and Maryada means tradition, practice of the faith or code or discipline of life. It extends its meaning to life discipline. It meets the principles for ethical, moral and spiritual life. It is a code which tells the Sikh followers how to live and how not to live. It is a manual for the Sikh which tells him to live like a Lotus which has its roots in muddy water but its flower blooms floating pure and spotless over the muddy base.
 
Sikhism is essentially a practical religion. It gives great significance to voluntary discipline and self restraint in the physical, mental, moral and spiritual fields. Sikhism gives reverence to its sacred traditions (Maryada), heritage, culture and religious living. It does not call for blind and arrogant compliance of its way of life. Sikh Rehat is touch stone which reveals the purity and perfection of the Khalsa.
 
Rehat Maryada is willing discipline
 
Sikhism believes in willing discipline of body and mind. It aims at serving the mankind and attaining the Ultimate Reality through Naam Simran, Sachi Kirt and Wand Chhakna. There is no use of coercion in observance of the discipline. It is not punitive. The code of Sikh conduct is positive, correctional and requires the devotee to attune with the Will of God.
 
Sikhism believes in gradual progress of Sehaj Dharis to become the Khalsa. The deviants and slow movers are to be treated with sympathy and loving care so that they learn their roots and join the main stream.
 
Sikh Rehat Maryada has been evolved on the basic principles of God’s universe, discipline of planetary system and the law of nature. Human body, mind and consciousness are gifts of the Lord leased to mankind for a pre-determined life time. Sikhism wants these gifts to be used for attainment of God through service of mankind.
 
Sri Guru Granth Sahib is the primary source of Sikh Code of Conduct. It is supported by Dasam Granth, Vars of Bhai Gurdas and writings of Bhai Nand Lal. The Rehat is further strengthened through the Rehat Namas of Bhai Nand Lal, Bhai Daya Singh, Bhai Desa Singh, Bhai Champa Singh and others.
 
Gurbani says that blessed with infinite joy, without a trace of sorrow, is the house that Guru Nanak has inherited. Sikhism wants to keep peace and tranquillity in that house.
Harkh anant sog nahi biya, so ghar gur Nanak ko diaya.
 
The doctrine of five Kakars gifted by Guru Gobind Singh helps the Sikhs to live life in full measure and with universal resources. The Guru ordained not only the Khalsa how to live but also how not to live. He gave certain do’s and don’ts to the Khalsa Panth.
 
It is very essential to point out that no individual or individual organisation has the authority to change or alter the Sikh Rehat Maryada as per personal needs and whims. Every Sikh is required to bow head before the Sikh Rehat Maryada published by Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee. There is only one Rahit Maryada for the Khalsa Panth, it does not belong to any particular Jatha or entity, yet as Sikhs we are all obliged to follow it.
It is explicit in Gurbani that the principles of Gurmat are unchangeable and of permanent standing: The Instruction of the Guru is Unshakable. None can change it.
Gurmat Mat Achal Hai Chalaey Na Sakey Koey (p-548)"

(quoted from: All About Sikhs, Your Gateway to Sikhism)

PROPER SIKH MEANS BELIEVE IN ONE GOD AND BELIEVE IN HUMANITY THT IT AND DO THE GOOD THINGS AND BY MISTAKE IF U DID IT WRONG STUFF ASK FORGIVENESS TO ONE GOD ,, AND NEVER DO IT AGAIN :)

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Hahahaha for a sec there, i thought you called my bf a "stupid doggy".  :D:  Nah man, i'm with pawan on this, my bf changing his looks isn't exactly something i'd prefer. If you were in my shoes, you'd understand better.

called pawan is doggy hahahah not ur bf