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« on: March 07, 2011, 08:49:19 PM »
not at all kg its a good discussion. If we want fish then we have to dive in the sea. So if we need answer then we have to discuss. I think nothing wrong in this. We should clearify our doubts. Thanks for this post kg.
I think the homosexuality is defiantly a mental disorder. If its nt then what is the reason of this unnatural behaviour. So it should be cured. And if its nt a disorder then it is the worst form of lust.
U r absolutely right that Sikhism is agings of this. Bcoz if our guru restricted us to change or modify our body appearance than how can we say homosexuality is acceptable. It means to change or modify our internal or mind appearance. Homosexuality is against the law of nature in this way the creation will stop.
So to a Sikh its a sin. Sm people r translating gurbani in a convenient way . Sgpc already announced it against the sikhism.
Thanks for response Karam. Well, I agree with you that Homosexuality could be kind of mental disorder.. because mere khyal vich koyee v born homosexual nai hunda, even ajj taj koyee "gay gene" v nai find out hoyea.. well, reasearch is still going on.. 1.Par ik point teh mein tuhanu criticize karangi, Like tusi kiha ke People are translating Gurubani acoording to their own convenience then you r doing same thing When u said" Homosexuality is a sin". Gurubani vich ah cheej kite v nai likhi aa.. 2.Even Jado Guru Ram Das ji ne 4 lawan da ucharan kitta ohna ne v ih kite nai mention kitta ke marriage sirf opposite sex vich hi ho sakdiyan ne.. ohna ne kiha ih sird do human souls da milan hunda.. 3.ik hor point ithe, mein tuhanu pushna chahundi aa ke.. Lawan Vich Munda , kudi nu lead kyu karda? even ah v Gurubani vich kite nai likhia.. Well, I am not sure..Please correct me if i am wrong.
1042
« on: March 06, 2011, 09:49:24 PM »
Waheguruji bless her!! everything would be fine.. :)
1043
« on: March 06, 2011, 09:46:52 PM »
if anyone think, this discussion is not so needed, you are very welcome to delete this post :)
1044
« on: March 06, 2011, 09:44:59 PM »
This thing was stuck in my mind for many days, when someone asked me that What does Sikhism think about this new trend of homosexuality?
While i explained him like that this is kind of Gender identity disorder but when i searched about it this thing, this is not considered a disorder anymore.. Well, I dont know What do you guys think about it? but certainly I would like to hear your opinion too.. not just your personal opinion but What do you think about homosexuality on religious basis??
or Does Sikhism condemn homosexuality?? or We have just turned blind eye to this mater..
First i would like discuss about other Sikh organisations view point over this then would discuss about my point of view too..
Current Situation in India..
In India, Homosexuality was considered as criminal offence till 2009 but now it is bit tolerant. On 2 July 2009, the Delhi High Court court decriminalised homosexual intercourse between consenting adults, throughout India, where Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code was adjudged to violate the fundamental right to life and liberty and the right to equality as guaranteed by the Constitution of India.
A 2002 survey estimated that one-sixth of India's male and female population was homosexual.
Sikhism and Homosexuality-
Ethnicity Online website states that:
Sikhism is a very tolerant religion and seeks to find the truth rather than adhere rigidly
to rules. Homosexuality is not specifically banned in any of the writings of the Gurus, but
they do stress that God has intended people to live as man and wife, or to be celibate, with no
deviation from this design. This ambivalence allows most Sikhs to be very tolerant of
homosexuality and accept a homosexual individual while still regarding the practice as
against God’s design”
The Religion Facts website comments that:
The Sikh sacred text, the Guru Granth Sahib, is the highest authority in Sikhism. It is silent on the subject homosexuality. However, there are parts of the Guru Granth Sahib that have been interpreted to mean that homosexuality is wrong.
There are five vices outlined in the Guru Granth Sahib that are to be avoided by Sikhs. These vices are called the Five Thieves. They are Pride (aHankar), Anger (Krodh), Greed (LobH), Attachment (MoH), and Lust (Khaam). Many Sikhs believe that homosexual thoughts and behaviour are just manifestations of lust, and that it is therefore forbidden.
However, other Sikhs believe that Guru Nanak's emphasis on universal equality and brotherhood is fundamentally in support of gay rights. This view is held by a minority of Sikhs,many of whom have been born/raised in countries that are more tolerant towards homosexuality. Some Sikhs have even gone so far as to describe homosexuals as "the new Untouchables" in reference to Sikhism's rejection of the Indian caste system.
One of Sikhism underlying values is family living. Sikhs are expected to live in a family environment in order to conceive and nurture their children in order to perpetuate God's
creation. Any alternative manner of living is prohibited specifically a celibate lifestyle. Most Sikhs assume this means homosexuality, which cannot result in procreation, is unnatural and against God's will.
Another Sikh website notes that: Homosexuality is not addressed in scripture,Guru Granth Sahibji.
Akal Takht -During his meeting with the visiting Canadian Sikh MPs on 29 March 2005, Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti, the highest Sikh authority stated that homosexuality is "against the Sikh religion and the Sikh code of conduct and totally against the laws of nature." He called on Sikhs to support laws against gay marriage. He also denounced same-sex marriage and urged the Sikh assembly not to allow such ceremonies in a Sikh place of worship. According to him, “the Sikh code of conduct does not allow such marriages”.
1045
« on: March 06, 2011, 01:32:19 PM »
hahahhaha.. wahji.. kash idda da v vyah v howe koyee.. :smile:
Nalle mein vyah teh v apna lecture den laggi hoyee c.. :hehe:
vase menu gidha teh bhangra v bahut sohna ayunda.. X_X
1046
« on: March 06, 2011, 12:40:24 AM »
:cry: "haye mukh mor lyaaaaaaa, sade dardi ne, asi darda mare ronde rahe''
Chlo jo rabb nu manjoor . :break:
Ve keyp hun tera rasta saaf aa
Vekh la KayP veer tere sahmne hi aa :D: Rehn de Karam Kaure, oh gal ohi teri tah " Sadiyan Paran toh sikhi uddna, beh gayee door kite alhna bna ke Vaddiyan Admina ne Moh leya " :hehe:
1047
« on: March 06, 2011, 12:21:29 AM »
ah ki c Fateh.. its old news.. nalle hassda kahto.. /:)
1048
« on: March 06, 2011, 12:09:48 AM »
Tu ta edha bolda jidda sanu koyee mildi nahi. Tu samjda ki ah apne aap nu oye? Ajj peg lagge do jatt de. Vaadu na boli oye. Nahi ta vekh layee.
Pj te hee thok dena jatt ne.
haha
Naah Veer mein tah kehnda c.. mein kudiyan teh nashiyan toh door hi rehna va.. :hehe: Veere kade kudiyan pishe nai larida.. Ah gal palle bann la :hehe:
1049
« on: March 05, 2011, 11:51:19 PM »
Yaar Kudrat Siha sarde ni. Ah Karam Kaur nu mai patna. Mittra dee koyee nahi.
Chal theek aa Veere, Mein ihna kudiyan toh door hi changa.. bahut chakkar painde ne nai tah.. :D: Appa tah Charre hi khush aa :hehe:
1050
« on: March 05, 2011, 11:41:10 PM »
I really liked this new trend.. I think es toh jyada vadiya Vyah teh shagun hor ki ho sakda.. :smile:
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« on: March 05, 2011, 11:37:06 PM »
Bathinda, Punjab- At his daughter’s wedding last year when Jaswant Singh decided to organize a blood donation camp to welcome the bridegroom’s “baraat”, people in Kot Shamer village in Bathinda district in Punjab were pleasantly surprised.
On the wedding invitation card Jaswant Singh mentioned that instead of offering “shagun” in money, his guests would donate blood.
As about 45 of his guests lined up to donate blood, the “baraatis” in turn offered roses to blood donors making it a spectacle so unusual for the Punjabi culture of pomp and show.
Following his example in nearby Harrajpura village 27-year-old Harvinder organized a blood donation camp on his wedding in December last year
Jaswant and Harvinder have been part of the blood donation campaign undertaken by the United Welfare Society for the last about five years during which the society volunteers have donated over 60,000 units of blood to various hospitals in the region.
Vijay Bhatt, one of the founder members of the society said in fact the blood donation was a two decade-old custom in Bathinda and in many other towns, including Bhucho Mandi and Raman Mandi. “There’s a virtual competition to donate the maximum blood units on any given occasion.” he said. The society organizes 80-90 blood camps every year.
Some even organize blood donation camps on the death anniversary of family members. That’s what the family of Harish Bhutani, former general secretary of the society, does every year on his death anniversary. “What could be a better tribute to our father?” asks one of his sons.
Bathinda is perhaps the only district in the country where every year, a fair is organized ‘Mela Khoon Daniyan Da’ to honour donors, so that more people are motivated to join the campaign, says Vijay Goel, chairman of Sahara Jan Seva, a voluntary organization.
People here are so enthused with the idea of donating blood, that often the blood bank can’t stock all the units. The remaining is sent to nearby medical colleges in Faridkot and Patiala.
1052
« on: March 05, 2011, 10:58:18 PM »
bas koi jaga nah chaddeyo meri bezti karan di....
Hun ta mil gaye..punjabi suit wid patiala salvaar :huhh:
Mein bezti kithe kitti c.. :break: oh tah pyar c mera 8-> Nalle menu tah koyee suit nai milia.. :lost:
1053
« on: March 05, 2011, 10:48:38 PM »
Vase Rubbie ladaki tah inni hi aa :hehe:
Par mere kol sachi Punjabi suita da ghaat aa.. :sad: Rubbie ik do banwa hi de Sohniyee.. 8->
1054
« on: March 05, 2011, 09:13:30 PM »
Janamdin diyan Mubarkan Hitler Raje.. Waheguruji bless u!! :smile:
1055
« on: March 05, 2011, 09:02:06 PM »
Fateh Repoeter tah guddi de pishe hi pey gaye...
koyee nami news leke awo.. :pagel: :wait:
1056
« on: March 05, 2011, 05:03:38 AM »
March 5, 2011
SOOHEE, FIFTH MEHL:
Blessed is that soul-bride, who realizes God. She obeys the Hukam of His Order, and abandons her self-conceit. Imbued with her Beloved, she celebrates in delight. || 1 || Listen, O my companions — these are the signs on the Path to meet God. Dedicate your mind and body to Him; stop living to please others. || 1 || Pause || One soul-bride counsels another, to do only that which pleases God. Such a soul-bride merges into the Being of God. || 2 || One who is in the grip of pride does not obtain the Mansion of the Lord’s Presence. She regrets and repents, when her life-night passes away. The unfortunate self-willed manmukhs suffer in pain. || 3 || I pray to God, but I think that He is far away. God is imperishable and eternal; He is pervading and permeating everywhere. Servant Nanak sings of Him; I see Him Ever-present everywhere. || 4 || 3 ||
Saturday, 21st Phalgun (Samvat 542 Nanakshahi) (Page : 737)
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« on: March 05, 2011, 04:36:35 AM »
Whao.. Preet tah bahut sohna munda aa vayee.. :smile:
Ik mera Cousin same copy aa tuhadi.. Nice!!
Height kinni aa , Preet?
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« on: March 05, 2011, 02:33:27 AM »
Kudrat siha.. v sire da tharkii hai.. /:)
Yaar ah Kudrat siha ta att da shokeen lagda. Sare patole magar layee firda sala mera.
LOL
Sarro na Veero, Rees Karo :hehe:
1059
« on: March 05, 2011, 01:06:11 AM »
Gal tah sochn vali aa Raje, Kal mein thoda jyada soch ke anser kardi aa sorry..  kal mein sachi sohna ja reply karungi :)
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« on: March 05, 2011, 12:28:44 AM »
ve thehjanya grewala kise nu shad v deh sare pase mooh mari jana veh.
Pehla ta kehnda teri fulkari jan kadhdi a te ehnu randi nu gulab dia mushka bhejda sudhar ja sudhar. Nale jad mai fulkari kadhdi udo na aya kar udo brar ne auna hunda tu sham nu aya kar bade ch jad mai pathe kutardi hundi. :laugh: (pretending to be a typical pendu jnani don't angry)Dehta budhi ghodi lal lgam
kinni Tip top punjabi boldi Sadi khand mishri :pagel:, naah ohde naal tah majak karda c, asli galbaat tah sadi tere naal hi aa.. :happy: naale ah brar di ki gal aa Karam Kaure.. /:) Jinne Gal di Gaani de Tere mannke, onne tere yaar vairne.. :sad: :break: :hehe:
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