CRAPY topic - Spendd time on something useful rather than making religious topics

I think the Mods need to do a little cleaning. Yes these are open forums, but this isn't even a discussion. Its more of an one-sided bashing of religions. It wouldn't have been that bad if it was just one topic and everyone was actually conversing and understanding each other, but no seems like this is just a "I hate your religion/my religion is better" forum now.

Ppl force me to do tht coz main sirf ehi gal kiti c k Why Khalistan topic lock kio kita... but ppl took it otherway so i just want tell them wht realty it... I don't want hurt anyone or any religion....... jo main likheya oh real ch hoya je galat likheya te daso ??????

I think the Mods need to do a little cleaning. Yes these are open forums, but this isn't even a discussion. Its more of an one-sided bashing of religions. It wouldn't have been that bad if it was just one topic and everyone was actually conversing and understanding each other, but no seems like this is just a "I hate your religion/my religion is better" forum now.

Tip of the iceberg buddy.... your still new

Quote from: NYPuNJaBI on May 01, 2011, 01:36:19 AM

I think the Mods need to do a little cleaning. Yes these are open forums, but this isn't even a discussion. Its more of an one-sided bashing of religions. It wouldn't have been that bad if it was just one topic and everyone was actually conversing and understanding each other, but no seems like this is just a "I hate your religion/my religion is better" forum now.

Tip of the iceberg buddy.... your still new

=O Mind unraveling the rest then?

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That comes to the point I've talked about in a different thread. Your generalizing a whole religion based on a few people. Your basically saying ALL hindus, muslims, etc when you mention a religion. That's just being stereotypical. I'm not for any religion but how can you say every person from that religion is the same way? For example, Osama Bin Laden is muslim, AL-Queda is a muslim terrorist organization so does that mean every muslim is a terrorist? No and if you think they are thats just wrong. I think that every religion has its extremists and people who put other religions down. Yes at a certain point many people conducted heinous crimes using religion but that time was different. People were more ignorant back then, now people are smarter and understand different religions. With the help of the internet, television, and even growing diversity everywhere people are more knowledgeable. I myself personally have seen peace and unity between religions, living in a diverse neighborhood in NY. My neighbors are Muslim, the tenant who lives in the apartment below me are Sikh and there are a few Hindu families across the street. We all live happily. I have friends from every religion, we've all been to Mosques, Mandirs, Gurdwaras and Chruches. Not once have a seen any type of hatred towards us when it was obvious we weren't from that religion.   
 
 So finally, I believe there isn't any religion that promotes violence or hatred. The hatred is built by politics or by individuals who use past events to brainwash people. So my advice is to everyone is there is no point on fighting about religion, every religion promotes the same thing and stop using religion as an excuse for your dumb actions.

 
 NYPuNJaBI Veer Ji, regarding your above post. I am going to assume that it is a response to my earlier post 61. I’ll apologise in advance if it isn’t.

However, before you go calling me dumb I will remind you that you haven’t actually answered any of my questions. I am not and haven’t said anything of the sort that you mention in your post at all. Where did I say that all Hindus or all Muslims are bad? Also where did I say that all Muslims are terrorists?

I am not generalising anything. I asked you if the basic ideology behind a religion is expansionist then surely it follows that a minority faith would suffer at the hands of a majority which has an ethos based on expansionism. Not only does history show us this but the present in various parts of the world also shows us this.

As to your neighbourhood; I am not here to criticise you or your neighbourhood. It is all very well talking about the comforts of New York and all but what of the millions of people around the globe who do not enjoy the luxuries you enjoy?, luxuries such as an education? Millions of people do not have such access to education. Just because you live “happily” it does not mean everybody is in the same happy club. Please note: I am not trying to be rude here.

I think you are not really recognising real facts. I suggest you consider the events in Bosnia Hertsegovina, Croatia, Romania, Darfur, Pakistan, India, Malaysia, the Catholic/Protestant problem in Northern Ireland but to name a few. All of those areas are still troubled by religious conflict as well as human rights abuses by the majority religions on the minority religions. We are not talking about the past, we are talking about today. Don’t forget Palestine and Israel, although it is slightly different but an element of religion is involved. What I will say to you is this, if religion teaches tolerance then why is there the death penalty for apostasy in Islam? Isn’t that violence? In some countries religious laws enforce public stoning of women, isn’t that violence? In some countries it is legal for an adult man to marry a 9 year old child, isn’t that violence? In some countries it is not possible to have a Church or a Gurdewara in the entire country. In some countries a Nishan Sahib can not be higher than a dome on top of a Mosque. The punishment for which could be 100 lashes. Isn’t that violence?

I would also suggest to you that Sikhs in India have a grievance, by ignoring them we do not do them justice. I also refute your "my religion is better" falsehood.

Yes, it was towards your post sorry for not quoting it. I would like to apologize first if you thought what I said about being dumb was directed towards you, it wasn't toward anyone here. Next I believe I misunderstood your message let me try to answer it again to the best I can.
You talk about the oppressing faith being an expansionist faith, but isn't that leaning more radical/extremist parts of the faith? How would  you define an expansionist faith? An entire faith oppressing other faith in order to grow larger or part of faith oppressing the other in order to expand? I would think an entire faith can't follow the policy of expansionism, I think only the radical/extremist part of a faith can be expansionist. To answer your question, I don't think the basic theology is expansionist. I don't think any faith was originally created to be expansionist, but I do believe radical followers have changed that view.

Lol you comment like I live under a rock or something. Of course I know everyone isn't the same way, I was just saying that it is possible for people from different faiths to live happily. My parents were in India when certain troubles happened, they've experienced such hate. I'm not as oblivious as your making it sound.

I agree with you that there are many religious conflicts/human right abuses are occurring currently. But I still don't think that those conflicts are caused by religion. I think the violence is caused is by extremists, politics and ignorant people. So many religions are open to interpretation that people can bend it to make in violence look likes its part of the faith. For example you mentioned apostasy, I don't deny it is prohibited in Islam but many people would argue that a punishment for such an act was never specified.
So what I'm saying is since religion itself is so controversial, people can go on forever on whose right or wrong.

Finally, I never said we should ignore the Sikhs in India. Of course we should stop such conflicts, even with the exclusion of religion just as a human being. However, all I'm saying is you can't speak against a whole religion though some of its followers are the ones causing the conflict.

Just my view =/ Hope you see my point of view.
 

Hey mr. Copy and Paste is back... nice to see your putting some of your own sentences together these days.

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Only Punjab ch 700+ camp RSS DE DAILY LAGDE AA. KI othe sab di respect karni sikhayi jandi aa ja fer hatheyaar chalone ?????
Rahul 22 tere Sign wich om wich ekmkaar dikhaya eh sikhan nu hindu dharam ch hadap karan di  Rss di chal nai ???

oh camps lawaonda kaon ai veer?
aapne hi sikh dharam de thekedaar SGPC SADB fir hinduan da ki kasoor ai uthe

Oshu Achariya Rajneesh da naam te suniya howega uhne ik book likhi c "idhar se guzra tha socha salam karta chaloon"
oh ik philosopher c uhne ikonkaar te ik poori book likhti c uh kainda sikh dharam ch te guru granth sahib ch ki howega jan-na mushkil hai kainda guru garanth sahib de iko word te hi main kitab likh ti
so guru granth sahib te gurbaani nu samzna te bahut door di gall ai jo guru sahibaaan ne keeta koi ni kar sakda jo gurugranth sahib ch likhiya gaya koi hor kade edi kalpna v ni kar sakda likhna te door di gall hai fir asi kidan kaih sakde haan ke Hindu marde hunde ai uh v Hindu c te philospher v uhne guru granth sahib di eni tareef keeeti eh so veer ji hindu muslim sikh bura ni hunda kise v bande de kamm change ya bure hunde ne uh hindu howe sikh ya muslim jeene bura hi karna uh har dharm ch raih ke bura hi karoo... bhagat sing naal marn waale rajguru sukhdev v te hindu c, Raas Bihari Bos v hindu si je azadi de layi sikhan da ena vda yougdaan c taaan bangali v ghat nahi rahe c uh v hindu sann , udam sinkh sikh c taan Maulana Azaad muslim c so har ik dharm ya field de vich change ya bure lok ho sakde ne.
veer ji india tonh bahar aake dekhiya ithe sab paise de putar hoye ai jine v busnessman sikh ne jo main dekhe ai ithe kise v bande nu poora haq ni dinde guruduawre ja ke jhaadu marde hunde ai te udhar emplyes bound keete hunde ai je gov rate 20 AUD per hour hunda uh AUD 8 pay karde ai ki kahange edan de lokan baare

indian Government punjab de layi galat rahi hai uh gall naal main agree haan sikhan naal punjab nal dhakka hoya taan samei samei sir uhna lokan nu saade sher putraan ne jwaab v dite ai Nehru pariwaar da dharm hindu nahi ai Uhna da Dharam Harampuna ai so uh karde aye ne so edan har ik dharam de vich kuz lok dharm de layi ik Black point hunde ai per asi eh ni kaih sakde ke uh dharm de lok edan ne ... baaki veer ji tusi sab mere tonh samzdaar oh meri te knowledge wich c main kaihta .. sarbat da bhalla howei ... jo galat karega uh galat hi bharega je na bharega te koi sher uth ke sodh hi devega   

dam u guyz r sooooooo RACIST hve nebr seen dis


Tezy g tusi sikh dharm di izzat karde par duje dharma vare marha bolan ale tusi koi nai hge

Jugde sirf ek aa jo oh rabb aa te tusi kida kise vare marha changa boli jande aa??'

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