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Gup Shup / West and East Punjab agriculture a comparison —Ishtiaq Ahmed
« on: January 11, 2013, 05:50:20 AM »

At the centre of the transformation was indeed the Sikh peasant cultivator, often the Jat. But even more important had been structural changes such as a radical land reform and cooperative farming. The ceiling on landholding was fixed around 20 acres. Various subsidies helped. Additionally, government banks provided easy loans’


I spent more than three weeks in Pakistan during December 2004 and twelve days of January this year in India. Except for Delhi, which is technically not part of Punjab but which has a fairly large Punjabi population (many of a West Punjabi origin), all my time was spent in the two Punjabs: West and East.


I want to probe below why the Indian Punjab has done far better than the Pakistani Punjab in the agricultural sector. The yield per hectare in all essential crops: wheat, rice, sugarcane, maize, gram is far greater in East Punjab as compared to West Punjab and only cotton produce in West Punjab comes close to that of East Punjab (Shinder S Thandi, International Journal of Punjab Studies, January-June 1997). The result has been that the Indian Punjab has the highest standard of living in India and I could easily see that the villages there were far more prosperous than those in Pakistan. This is totally puzzling if one reviews the recent economic history of the undivided Punjab in perspective.


Before partition the excess population from the poverty-stricken and resource-deficient East Punjab had been allotted land in the canal colonies of Shahpur, Lyallpur (now Faisalabad) and Montgomery (now Sahiwal). The hardworking settler peasant-proprietors converted the former semi-desert areas of the western districts into the finest agricultural region in South Asia. At the time of partition, therefore, West Punjabi agricultural land was the choicest and its prosperity proverbial. East Punjab was poor in all senses of the word.


It is not surprising therefore that the Sikhs made every effort to have Shahpur, Lyallpur and Montgomery included in India asserting that it was their hard work and labour which had generated the wealth of the western districts. But all those areas and the coveted city of Lahore (where Hindus and Sikhs owned 80 per cent of the property) were awarded to Pakistan on the basis of clear Muslim majority by the Radcliffe Award of August 17, 1947. Thus the greater and best parts of Punjab remained in Pakistan and Punjabis in Pakistan became the dominant group in all conventional senses of political economy.


As a West Punjab Pakistani, I, therefore, expected to find the eastern half not only smaller but also ‘junior’ in some sense. After all West Punjab with its total area of 205,345 square kilometres (28.5 per cent of Pakistan) is population-wise the biggest province of Pakistan. Its 72,585,000 people constitute the biggest nationality: 48 to 61 percent, depending on whether or not you include Seraiki speakers among Punjabis. Its economic and political domination is resented by the other provinces. The most powerful institution in the country, the army, is solidly Punjabi. So is the senior civil bureaucracy. In sharp contrast, East Punjab is only 50,362 sq km (1.54 per cent of Indian territory) and its 24,289,000 people are only 2.5 per cent of the Indian population. Although Punjabi Sikhs are over-represented in the Indian army (7 to 8 per cent despite their less than 2 per cent share in the Indian population) they are not a dominant group politically. Moreover, 15 years of violent conflict between the Khalistanis and the Indian state (1974-1992) claimed some 60,000 lives and caused massive collateral damage to property and production.


What explains then East Punjab’s agricultural success? I talked to MS Gill, the former chief election commissioner of India and now a member of the upper house of the Indian parliament, the Rajya Sabha. He served as a senior policymaker on the agricultural sector for the Indian government and had done considerable research on this subject. He explained that a number of factors converged to bring about the great changes in East Punjab. At the centre of the transformation was indeed the Sikh peasant cultivator, often the Jat, whose courage, perseverance, spirit of enterprise and muscle prowess proved crucial. But even more important had been structural changes such as a radical land reform and co-operative farming. Big landlordism had been nearly eliminated and instead a sturdy class of independent peasants come about. The ceiling on landholding was fixed around 20 acres. Government support in the form of various subsidies and promotion of co-operative farming enabled several farmers to pool their resources and together buy a tractor and other related machinery. Additionally, government banks provided easy loans and the implementation processes had been really firm.


He told me that he had written a paper comparing the agricultural sector in both Punjabs and already in the early 1970s shown that production per acre in East Punjab was at least double to that of West Punjab. He had learnt from Pakistani friends that Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto read his paper and ordered his agriculture minister and senior bureaucrats to explain how this reversal of position of the two Punjabs could be possible. Mr Gill never found out what explanation was given to the late Pakistani prime minister.


I found Mr Gill’s explanation very convincing. The landlord class in West Punjab benefited most when Pakistan came into being, although some progressive Muslim Leaguers wanted to bring about radical land reforms. The land reform of 1959 fixed the ceiling at 500 acres of irrigated land and 1,000 acres of un-irrigated lands; ZA Bhutto carried out a number of land reforms in the 1970s but the ceiling remained high: 100 acres. Moreover, pre-capitalist production relations such as absentee landlordism continued to prevail in the Pakistani Punjab. The Pakistan Army, instead of being an agent of modernisation, has itself been partisan on the land question and some of its high-handed policies against tenant-cultivators on the Okara military farms were recently in news.


I think even more damaging to West Punjab has been the growth since the 1990s of jihadi culture. Gujranwala, once a quiet, relaxed town of wrestlers, is considered currently the hub of fanatical Islam in the Punjab. Just as the Khalistani movement inflicted deep economic gashes on East Punjab the jihadis in West Punjab are nothing but a nihilistic lot. This menace needs to be weeded out completely. Moreover the Pakistani Punjab needs radical land reforms and infrastructural support from the state so that pre-modern cultural values and attitudes can be replaced with the sound economic sense of which our peasants have lots. We need independent peasant proprietors and not parasitical landlords or impoverished tenant-cultivators. Thus the slogan of a progressive and egalitarian Pakistan should be: all land to the tiller

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Birthdays / happy birthday marjani_jugni
« on: January 08, 2013, 09:59:21 AM »
happy birthday











Phoolon ne Amrit ka jaam bheja hai,
Sooraj ne gagan se Salam bheja hai,


Mubarak ho Aapko Naya Janam Din,


Tahe-Dil se Humne ye


Paigaam bheja hai !

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nice information thanx for sharing  :okk:

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Shayari / Re: ₪ dill di rani ₪ lai
« on: January 08, 2013, 06:41:10 AM »
koi na gujjar ohnu ta smj aa hi jani a :D: mera sher ta khrab krta tu :D:
tera sher att da ohnu koi khraab nai kar sakhda
khali jiga nu aap pur karo gi  :D:

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22 eydhi transltion kar ke dasso plz

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Travel / Re: West-east-north-south indians
« on: January 08, 2013, 06:24:50 AM »
eyna sir khapoun nalo india da map dekh lo  :cooll:

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Shayari / Re: ₪ dill di rani ₪ lai
« on: January 08, 2013, 06:21:04 AM »
gujjar del. kyu krta yr

bai name of contry in not a big deal
chal honsla rakh jadhe layi likhya ohnu samj aa jani  :D:

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Shayari / Re: tere Bas ki Bat
« on: January 08, 2013, 04:54:30 AM »
Hadh se barrh jaye gi ik din khaawish e awargi,

sheher walon ke liye sehraa bhi ghar ho jaye ga..

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Shayari / Re: Tere Siwa
« on: January 08, 2013, 04:51:40 AM »
Mujhe Kisi Se Mohabbat Nahi Tere Siwa,
Mujhe Kisi Ki Zarurat Nahi Tere Siwa,
Jo Mere Dil Or Meri Zindagi Pe Raaj Kare,
Kisi Ko Itni Ijazt Nahi Tere Siwa,,
:hug:
wah wah apurv kamal karti bro
realy so nice :okk: :hug:

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Shayari / Re: ₪ dill di rani ₪ lai
« on: January 08, 2013, 04:49:43 AM »
Apni Kali kandh jhi zindgi nu
        tereya ranga de vich ranga lma

ik wari muhu kad de tu haan baliye
        ni tainu ...... Ton India manga lma
:hehe:
buhat vedia likhya 22
just ey requst aa kise di loction bare na likho
thanx

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Birthdays / Re: happy birthday to kuripataka 07-01
« on: January 07, 2013, 08:53:37 AM »
happy birthday  :superhappy:

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gujr is the bst Rj,,,

TERI SHAYRI BDI SOHNI HUNDI,,,

te songs di collection i ever likeeee

thnx gujar
thanx punjaban mutiaar ji

...
main ajtak nni sunya pj waleya da radio
jiss din sun laya fir sunda hi raho ga mitra  :balle:

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Complaints / Re: JEET PJ (MOD ) SPAMMER
« on: January 06, 2013, 11:47:45 PM »
topic lock kyu ,,answer devo pehla aake esda  :angr: :angr: :angr:
just fun ho reha iss topic te hor koi gal nai
na jeet spaam karda
ohne sari gall dassi topic vich

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Complaints / Re: JEET PJ (MOD ) SPAMMER
« on: January 06, 2013, 11:43:35 PM »
topic lock

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Complaints / Re: check topic respect
« on: January 06, 2013, 11:39:49 PM »
thanx all and topic lock

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Complaints / Re: Radio Shows
« on: January 06, 2013, 11:36:52 PM »

 
What the hell is sariyan di problem from the past month or so koyi vi radio show ni kar reha...je eddan hi nakhre karne, then I suggest, you roll out those RJs and make new ones... :pagel:
Je kise kol time ni hunda routinely karan layi, there needs to be some type of organization, where they can repot that they are unable to do It for a certain time, if not then make them inactive...I'm sure a new RJ is always available. /:)
main roz karda india time 8pm :hehe:
laghda uss time tusi soun rehe hunde  :smile:

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Shayari / Re: Jab bhi ata hay mera naam tere naam k sath
« on: January 06, 2013, 11:27:47 PM »

Kaho kese guzarti hai,
Tumhari zindagi, paagal,
Suna hai, ab to eid’en bhi,
Woh pehli si nahin karty,


Kisi ke ghar nahin jatey,
Kisi se bhi nahin miltey,
Kisi ki ek nahin suntey,
Kisi se kuch nahin kehtey,


Na koi gift lete ho,
Na koi gift dete ho,
Kabhi khul kar na hanstey ho,
Kabhi khul kar na rotey ho,


Bohat bekal bohat upset,
Bohat bechain hotey ho,
Suna hai chaand raton mein,
Bohat be’mood dikhtey ho,


Woh kaghaz phaarr dete ho,
Kisi ke wastey jin per,
Bohat se sher likhtey ho,
Na jeetey ho na martey ho,


Suno yeh zindagi pagal,
Bassar kis tarah kartey ho,
Kaho, kesi guzarti hai?

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Complaints / Re: check topic respect
« on: January 06, 2013, 10:09:33 AM »
main sara topic read kita Respect wala othee taan done hass hass ke reply karde si with D smily .edha masos hunda jida tusi ik dosre naal mazak karde aa .
chlo jo vi hoya odhe te matti pau te  je ik doje nu chnga nai laghda comments te ik doje te reply te comments na kro
kang 22 tuhanu koi hak nai kise di id nu fake kehan da eydhe layi staff batha  o dekh lenda sub kush

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Complaints / Re: check topic respect
« on: January 06, 2013, 09:44:21 AM »
tusi complant taan karti par ey nai dassya kon tang karda ?

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