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Knowledge / Re: India Secular?
« on: February 28, 2011, 02:46:42 PM »
Haha yeah don't be such a smartass. I started reading until i realised that i was reading an essay. Summaries it mate.

It is an essay! It is a look at the anomalies which exist around the Indian Constitution, Law and religious treatment of minorities in India.

I don't think it would be easy to summarise such a document, which in itself is humongous, without losing its central thrust.

Knowledge / Re: Shocking India or Backward India
« on: February 24, 2011, 05:55:51 PM »
I personally don't think the caste system has that much to do with it. The few states I've been to in India, I've never really noticed a difference between castes.

Well, the caste system is still quite strong in the rural areas of India. But having said that, I suppose in modern India with arival of the information age it might decrease.

Have a read of this report.


and this


Funny Videos / Thappad Khana
« on: February 24, 2011, 05:44:48 PM »
kya thappad hai

Knowledge / Re: Shocking India or Backward India
« on: February 24, 2011, 04:35:28 PM »
There's a great difference between classes in India. Either you are really rich or really poor. It's easier to get rich than come out of poverty. So change is there, but not always positive.

And of course, the caste sytem just makes it worse.

Knowledge / Re: India Secular?
« on: February 24, 2011, 04:32:02 PM »
Keep it short and sweet next time.

 :laugh:  :surp::laugh: :surp: :laugh: :surp: :laugh:

But seriously, thank you for your advice. Did you read the post? It is in the knowledge section of PJ and knowledge sometimes takes lots of detail to detail before it embeds its self in one’s brain.

Furthermore; some 395 articles, a half a score of schedules and countless amendments and more amendments to the amendments with sub amendments makes the Indian Constitution and the charter the most complicated and easily the longest ever written. By the way, those articles were counted twenty years ago. I believe there have been more added since.

As I said thank you for your advice.

Knowledge / Re: Shocking India or Backward India
« on: February 24, 2011, 04:14:13 PM »
What the!!! that's nasty! do you guys do that in india!?

No, the vast majority actually don’t. We Sikhs cremate our dead. Muslims bury their dead and vast amount of Hindus also cremate their dead too. It’s only the backward, poor (maybe) and the ones who believe that this is what they are supposed to do. India is changing for the better but it has a long way to go. They are Hindu.  :sad:

Knowledge / India Secular?
« on: February 23, 2011, 09:54:18 PM »
Is India really secular?

It is a well known fact that Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism and Buddhism all took their birth in India. Dozens of millions Christians also live in India and one of the oldest Jewish communities outside Israel is also in India. Even conservative estimates will put the population of India as having been made up of at least 80% followers of Hinduism. Interestingly enough is the fact that there is at least one state of India where one of the other faiths reaches a near if not outright majority. Nagaland for example is predominately Christian; the Sikhs have a narrow majority in the Punjab although that is probably decreasing rapidly due to all the “bhiya” labourers arriving from UP. For all of its troubles J&K is Muslim.

Just over 60 years ago, whilst keeping a relationship with its old colonial masters through the Commonwealth, India became independent from the British. India’s first PM Mr Jawaharlal Nehru is on record as saying one of the greatest difficulties he faced was "Perhaps, too, creating a secular state in a religious country."

The following is the opening statement of the Constitution of India.

“WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens:

So after all this time, is India still secular? Does it indeed portray itself as secular? I suppose on paper it does. The question arises though, why did it take until 1976 for the word “secular” to be added to this document. And what exactly does it mean? There seem to be no explanation to this and the evidence for it in practice is not blatantly visible. Is it an explicit instruction to the reader to understand clearly what India is or at least is meant to be?

I ask the above questions because even the Supreme Courts don’t really have an explanation for it nor does the Indian Parliament display what is meant, in India’s case, by “secular”.  The problem being that India has many religions, many faiths, many languages and above all many customs. It also goes without saying that the Caste system is still widely practiced, especially by those in the majority religion. Constitutionally, no one religion is supposed to have any superior claim over another. One religion can not claim political power in a state over another.

So what is this Constitution based on? There is indeed a visible influence of the American Constitution, there is also the influence of the “old masters’” language; English. Of course there would also be the wish to please the watchful eye of the world when a new country, or should I say republic, is born. Yet if you compare its structure to that of some Western models you will see that, especially France,  have deliberately separated religious following (organised or not) and the State. One of the most ardent of these is France.

But in India, there is no such glaring division between the religions and State. The French banning the Burqa and the Turban is evidence of France’s hard line adherence to their idea of secularism. But in India the State and Courts prefer not to be on any side, they would rather be neutral. In France the State is Anti religion; that is why it would ban religion from Government and public office. Interestingly, and controversial it might be to the outsider; especially to the English speaking world; it does seem to work, well to a certain degree any way. Some might say it does if you are a Hindu, but those still waiting for justice for the crimes of 1984 will say it doesn’t.

But how long will it last? There is a perception that secular though it might be, the Judiciary, the Police and organisations such as the RSS favour above all Hindus. Many Hindus already refer to Christians as Hindu-Christi, to Muslims as Hindu-Mohamadi’s and to Sikhs as the Armed Wing of Hindusim. Add to this the communal violence against Muslims in 2002, the Sikhs in 1984 and regular anti Christian unrest it is obvious that there would be distrust as the minorities feel that organisations such as the BJP and RSS have undue influence over the dhoti wallas in power. This would leave any one from Indias minority religions feeling insecure and believing that “secular” India is not really secular.

“The RSS-BJP try to make Savarkar’s term Hindutva even more inclusive than Savarkar intended.  They claim that any Indian who “identifies with India” is thereby a Hindu.  A Muslim who satisfies this condition (what Gandhians called a “nationalist Muslim”) should call himself a “Mohammedi Hindu”.  As L.K. Advani explains: “those residing in the country are Hindus even if many of them believe in different religions.(…) those following Islam are ‘Mohammedi Hindus’.  Likewise, Christians living in the country are ‘Christian Hindus’, while Sikhs are termed ‘Sikh Hindus’.  The respective identities are not undermined by such a fonnulation.”5 in this sense, they would be just as much at home in a Hindu Rashtra as a Vaishnava or Shaiva Hindu.”
(from http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/books/wiah/ch4.htm )

Muslims of India probably have the biggest axe to grind. After all, they are amongs the worst off communities of India. Their average life expectancy lower than the rest, their literacy is lower than the rest too and their ghettos are growing. The Christians are not far behind with similar figures. But for a secular country the Indian State does give subsidised air travel to Muslims travelling to Saudi to do hajj.

It seams India is developing its own idea of secularism. But the interesting thing is that Secularism has taken on two different unwritten definitions. One is that of the religious perspective as that adopted by Ghandi and the political one as adopted by Nehru. On the other side of the coin is the fact that many will tell you that the most senior politicians of India come from diverse backgrounds and different religions. 

So is India really secular? Feel free to add your thoughts.

I am at the moment looking at the Constitution its self, there are many oddities in it which I hope to discuss with any one wishes to discuss it soon.

Knowledge / Shocking India or Backward India
« on: February 23, 2011, 09:16:15 PM »
Shocking India, not so modern is it?

Is this your India?

The photographs taken by a Chinese tourist, which appeared on the ChinaSmack website in October 2010, suggest India is very much still in the past; in particular when it comes to some of its religious customs. The photos have been in the Chinese media since 2008.

My own view is that the Indian Government needs to step in and begin an educational program designed to drag India into the modern age. The time for dead bodies in the rivers needs to be left in the past.


If you have a strong stomach, scroll down through the photos. The first 20 or so are reasonable but after that.............................. well see for your self. Don't say you haven't been warned.

Shocking India, not so modern is it?


Persevere and allow the photos to load. The take  few seconds. If a script message comes up press continue and give it about 10 seconds.


A message for the moderators, please do not remove this thread. I have posted it without prejudice or malice. I feel that it will be educational for those who wish to be educated. I realise that some will always bury their heads in the sand and pretend it isn’t so. But the photographs do show a part of India which is stuck firmly in the past and needs to change rapidly even if it is only in the interest of hygiene and disease prevention. Most Non Resident Indians never see this side of India.

I offer my thanks in advance.

Knowledge / Re: mr. India
« on: February 23, 2011, 08:12:07 PM »
sry bai ji aje ni dekhi kyo mai mob te aa te kde utube chalda te kde nai net prob par jad v soot lga dekhu jrur

HanJi, Karam Veer Ji  tuci jrur dekhio. Ohde vich dikhalia ik American fauji de oh invisible suit paiya hoea. Ohdi sirf body di outline disdi aa, par ik news reporter ne film khich lai.

It is really amazing, you can make out the soldiers outline but then he climbs into a tank and the camera sees much more clearly.

Veer Ji jrur dekhio jado mauka milia.

Knowledge / Re: mr. India
« on: February 23, 2011, 11:55:57 AM »
Wher has the New Zealand girly gone? Come on you, where are ya Hydro or have you become Static. :loll:

Heven't had a yakkety-yak with you in ages.

Knowledge / Re: mr. India
« on: February 23, 2011, 11:16:32 AM »
Karam veer ji, tuci jo mein video da link ditta dekhia c?

Did you see the video link?

This one

First Glimpse of Army Invisibility Camo Suit Caught on Tape

Knowledge / Re: mr. India
« on: February 23, 2011, 09:50:21 AM »

Knowledge / Re: mr. India
« on: February 23, 2011, 05:03:23 AM »
MAKING CLOTHES 'TRANSPARENT' instantaneously as you watch has taken a step closer to reality thanks to Tokyo University team led by Professor Susumu Tachi. Before the voyeurs out there start celebrating too hard though, you don't get to see what's underneath. Well, not exactly.

The team has managed to create clothes that are covered in tiny pieces of glass which effectively become a screen. A video camera is then used to record the scenery behind the wearer and the results are projected onto the clothes. The effect is that the wearer appears 'transparent'.

The team has said that the system is still less than perfect. Unless an observer is looking in roughly the same direction as the video camera, the clothes will not be a perfect match with the background.

The claimed uses are for things like surgery, allowing a surgeon to effectively see through their hands. We think they are seriously underestimating the revolution this technology could cause once it is perfected.

The possibilities seem endlessly strange. Like the problem trying to find some space inside a changing room, the darned places will be packed with pervs. Or the fun it could become popping down to the bank to make a "withdrawal". Let alone the opportunities for practical jokes. At the moment, we'd settle for a carrier bag that was 'transparent'. It would make shopping so much more interesting.
Ha ha ha ha

I thought the Americans were working on something similar in order to make soldiers invisible.

PJ Games / Re: ur fav. sad song
« on: February 22, 2011, 11:47:33 PM »
This thread has about 50 pages. I dont kniw if this Gurdas Mann song has been posted before but............................................

Bas Rehan De Chhed Na Dardan Nu Sung By Gurdas Mann...

Gup Shup / Re: where the hell i hv gone
« on: February 22, 2011, 11:12:02 PM »
hanji sahi kiha ji zyada detail likhna pasand e ji nai puchlo noxi ji nu oh 3 ya 4 akhra ch reply karde te mai kehna mainu detail chahidi aa ha ha ha ha eh v ik vjah e, sahi gal e.

Veer Ji, thuaanu pta hi hona ke meinu door deshaN vich kam vaste jana pehnda. I karke mere kolo PJ te kai vari nahi aa hunda. Bhar mein thuade post zaroor pad da hunda ha.

News Khabran / Re: New Born Baby Girl Named - FACEBOOK
« on: February 22, 2011, 08:29:24 PM »
OMG ...aa ki karta vchari di puuri life da sawaal aa ...

I am going to wait jadon kisse ne apne bachche da naam rakhna "Punjabi Janta" :hehe:

OMG, her boyfriend will never be able to say he's been on facebook without raising a few eyebrows!!! :hehe: :hehe: :Cry:

Gup Shup / Re: where the hell i hv gone
« on: February 22, 2011, 08:22:48 PM »
Hanji Karam Ji, meinu thuadi kaliaN di photo toN nahi dar lagda, menu Kudrat Ji di photo vi draa dindi aa. :hehe: yo yo

Tuci post likh de ravo, teh mein padoo ga zaroor.

Gup Shup / Re: where the hell i hv gone
« on: February 22, 2011, 03:15:58 PM »
hanji mai ik poll shuru kar riha ji apne bare hi. Mai kai dina to notice kita k mere topics ya replies da koi response ni aa riha . Is di mai vjah janna chahaga. Bhave koi reply na v karyo bt vote zroor kro mainu v pta lge mere ch ki kami e te mai sudhar kra. Koi taras karan di lor nai e ji bas jo v sochde o click kar dao.
Hun te yar kise de topic ch reply karan lagya v sharam mehsoos hundi e.

Veer ji, thuade vich koi kami nahi hai. Par, meinu thuadi photo toN dar lagda!!!!!!  X_X :laugh:

Gusa na krio, mein taN thoda jiha majak kardaN.. :hehe:       

Just joking, just joking......

Beauty Fashion LifeStyle / Re: Extravagant Makeup Looks
« on: February 21, 2011, 09:08:18 PM »
I mean the one on the left with the Chinese eyes!! :loll: X_X

Beauty Fashion LifeStyle / Re: Extravagant Makeup Looks
« on: February 21, 2011, 09:06:41 PM »
She looks like my mother after cutting onions and doing the turka :surp: :surp: :surp: :surp:

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