Author Topic: Concerns about Khalisthan! (Read 5057 times)

Sardar_Ji · « **on:** July 19, 2010, 09:32:55 AM »

Concerns

What about the safety of Sikhs living outside of Punjab? What about safety of Hindus in Khalistan? Don't Sikhs living in western countries have freedom?

As far as safety of the outsider Sikhs is concerned this is nothing more than a scary tactic. Hindus have their country, India, but many Hindus live in foreign countries according to the laws and rules of those countries. So are they not safe? This is the same for all other communities. Sikhs will live in their own country as well as in other countries. People from other countries can come and live in Khalistan. Everyone will be permitted to live in Khalistan regardless of religion and race. One thing readers must note is that creation of Khalistan will not create more conflicts between Sikhs and Hindus. This is just propaganda of the Indian government. Creation of Khalistan means end of all the conflicts between Hindus and Sikhs. For example, USA has had peaceful relations with England after independence. India has peaceful relations with British. People of Pakistan and India treat each other with respect. It is the government that creates fights by giving the false information. When Indian cricket team went on a tour to Pakistan all Indians were treated with respect and when Pakistan team lost not a single person from Pakistan created fights nor were there any riots in the stadium. The fact is that Indian government wants to keep the people separated because they have adopted the British policy of “divide and rule”.

Creation of Khalistan will be better for Sikhs in the foreign countries rather than a being a worse. Sikhs in other countries will feel safe because a country will be representing them. Sikhs will be given more respect and it will be the only way for other countries to learn the truth about Sikhism. Even if we assume that Sikhs will have to move to Khalistan for the sake of argument it would be better for them and for the country. All the rich people and professionals will be moving to Khalistan which would make it a strong country in the beginning and Khalistan will grow more economically and will become powerful country sooner.

There is not a single country in the world that represents us as Sikhs. India represents us as Hindus. America represents us as Americans. Sikhi is out of the picture. Sikhi defines us. Every country has limitations on our religious practices and India is not any different. We need the right to wear Kirpan at all places all times. Wearing a Kirpan is our Guru given right and it makes no sense going to Delhi government and asking for this right. Only time our Gurdwaras were not attacked was when Sikhs ruled Punjab. All other governments at some point attacked us, destroyed Gurdwaras and dishonored our women.

If safety of Sikhs living in other Indian states is jeopardized with creation of Khalistan then it is clear that the Hindu government and Hindu population will be killing innocent Sikhs which makes it clear that there exists hostility towards Sikhs in the Hindu masses. If we assume that Sikhs will be killed even after having their own country then what safety do the Sikhs have with no country? If the ruling government and Hindu majority will be out to kill them then what is the guarantee that it won't happen without Khalistan? History stands witness to religious discrimination, attacks on Gurdwaras, dishonor of women and genocide of Sikhs in the streets by government sponsored goons. These are more the reasons to have Khalistan. If Hindus living with Sikhs don't want Sikhs to have equal rights and enjoy the glow of freedom then by all means Sikhs should separate themselves from the Hindus. The fact of the matter is that Khalistan ensures the safety of Sikhs rather than jeopardizing it because Sikhs will have political power and will be a political nation rather than a minority in India. We will have our own media, press and political voice to present our side of the story. Khalistan would put a stop to Sikh genocide at the hands of foreign governments once and for all.

1947 was a tragic chain of events but it happened due to lack of leaders' cooperation. All were obsessed with assuming political power and did not care for the people. We could learn from this, take preventive measures and ensure that it does not happen when Khalistan is created. Sikh and Hindu governments can work together and peacefully exchange population. Hindus (those who want to leave) can safely be escorted to India. They can sell their property and take their money to India. Sikhs coming from India will be assisted by the government to ensure that they are not left homeless in their homeland. Those who wish to stay in Khalistan may have the opportunity to get citizenship. American and Mexican government followed the same methods after American-Mexican War. Do we want 1947 to repeat and have bloodshed? If no then we need to think positively about this and practice "Sarbat Da Bhala". Claiming that 1947 will repeat only shows immaturity, ignorance and irrationality of anti-Khalistanis and brings out their incapability to take proper actions.

What about control over Gurdwaras outside of Khalistan?

Well, all the Gurdwaras will be directly controlled by the Khalistani government run under Akaal Takhat Sahib. Khalistan will be a powerful country and Akaal Takhat Sahib will establish many organizations to take care of all the Gurdwaras outside of the country. Right now, Indian government is not doing anything about the Gurdwaras in Pakistan, Afghanistan and other countries because Indian government doesn't want Sikhs to be attached with their Gurdwaras. Indian government thinks the only way to destroy Sikhi is to keep Sikhs away from Guru Granth Sahib's message and the Gurdwaras. Gurdwaras outside of India are still standing without the support of Indian government but when there is Khalistan, the government will do its best to take care of these holy places and agreements will be made with the other countries that would give us the direct control over the Gurdwaras. Gurdwara buildings in other countries are falling apart because the Indian government has failed to care for them and speak with other governments. Our own government would never do that.

We can have our own security forces for the protection of Gurdwara buildings and hire contractors to repair and maintain the buildings. Our control over Gurdwaras can be similar to US Embassy in India. It all depends on how strongly and seriously the Sikh government takes this matter.

In the years after 1984, many young Sikhs were killed in the armed struggle for Khalistan. Most of these deaths were at the hands of the Punjab Police who were 80% Sikh. So most of the deaths were Sikh on Sikh violence. Given that, how will you ensure that something like that will not happen again?

Majority of the Punjab police had drunkards, corrupt and immoral people as its officials. Such people do not even deserve to be called human beings let alone Sikhs. In any case, Punjab police was offered money and rewards and more importantly given strict orders by the central government to hunt Sikhs and dishonor women. Will the Sikh government ever do that to its own people? Never. Consider one example: during Mughal Empire, Sikhs were killed in the same manner and at very large scale but this all ended once they became the rulers. Once Sikhs get Khalistan it will not be easy to kill Sikhs anymore since going after them would be invading an independent country.

Punjabi Janta Forums - Janta Di Pasand · « **on:** July 19, 2010, 09:32:55 AM »

prabhleen · « **Reply #1 on:** July 19, 2010, 09:35:11 AM »

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Sardar_Ji · « **Reply #2 on:** July 19, 2010, 09:35:56 AM »

Quote from: prabhleen on July 19, 2010, 09:35:11 AM

:nurse:great :nurse:.

how can u read that fast!

prabhleen · « **Reply #3 on:** July 19, 2010, 09:38:32 AM »

Quote from: Gurpinder Mand on July 19, 2010, 09:35:56 AM

how can u read that fast!

akha naaal :nurse:.

Sardar_Ji · « **Reply #4 on:** July 19, 2010, 09:41:14 AM »

that mean u just look didnt read :angry:

ƁΔƘΓΔ · « **Reply #5 on:** July 19, 2010, 01:26:05 PM »

Quote from: Gurpinder Mand on July 19, 2010, 09:41:14 AM

that mean u just look didnt read :angry:

anparh lokan da majak ni udayida yaar

LondonPunjabi · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2010, 02:59:06 PM »

Gurpinder Mand ji

Can you also explain how financially viable will the Punjab be? and will it have to depend on India for water?. As far as water is concerned we already see that India is tightening it’s noose on the supply of water to Pakistan by building damns on rivers that Pakistan depends on for it’s water.

Sardar_Ji · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2010, 03:13:45 PM »

Quote from: LondonPunjabi on July 19, 2010, 02:59:06 PM

Gurpinder Mand ji

Can you also explain how financially viable will the Punjab be? and will it have to depend on India for water?. As far as water is concerned we already see that India is tightening it’s noose on the supply of water to Pakistan by building damns on rivers that Pakistan depends on for it’s water.

First of all bro thxx for your time!!

you put nice question!!

i feed your question in my hard disk . i will give u respond ASAP!!

bro again!!

if anyone else like to give respond to londonpunjabi most welcome !!

LondonPunjabi · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2010, 03:43:07 PM »

Quote from: Gurpinder Mand on July 19, 2010, 03:13:45 PM

First of all bro thxx for your time!!

you put nice question!!

i feed your question in my hard disk . i will give u respond ASAP!!

bro again!!

if anyone else like to give respond to londonpunjabi most welcome !!

Chalo theek y'aa.

TheStig · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2010, 07:34:53 PM »

Quote from: LondonPunjabi on July 19, 2010, 02:59:06 PM

Gurpinder Mand ji

Can you also explain how financially viable will the Punjab be? and will it have to depend on India for water?. As far as water is concerned we already see that India is tightening it’s noose on the supply of water to Pakistan by building damns on rivers that Pakistan depends on for it’s water.

we have to be realastic , isn't it.
Those who live overseas are asking for it. bhala pucho ohna nu na tusi bahar rehnde aa rahi jao agge thoda wand hoya aa punjab jhera hor wandan lagge aa?

Kudrat Kaur · « **Reply #10 on:** July 19, 2010, 08:16:46 PM »

Hanji Gurpinder Mundji
I am kind of against khalistan if u wont mind wud like to put some questions over this.
As you have talked about saftey about people living outside of punjab but we need to first think abt people living inside Punjab.. I think it will take long time to set up own Economic and strong Defence infrastructure.. onni der vich apne teh kise hor country ne attack kar dena.. fer ki banega.Menu Lagda India Govt di place teh these other countries r playing "Divide and Rule" with our india..

Sardar_Ji · « **Reply #11 on:** July 19, 2010, 08:22:10 PM »

O ji digg digg k turna sikhi da ji !!!

LondonPunjabi · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2010, 08:48:26 PM »

Quote from: KUDRAT GREWAL on July 19, 2010, 08:16:46 PM

Hanji Gurpinder Mundji
I am kind of against khalistan if u wont mind wud like to put some questions over this.
As you have talked about saftey about people living outside of punjab but we need to first think abt people living inside Punjab.. I think it will take long time to set up own Economic and strong Defence infrastructure.. onni der vich apne teh kise hor country ne attack kar dena.. fer ki banega.Menu Lagda India Govt di place teh these other countries r playing "Divide and Rule" with our india..

Kudrat ji. I wrote this on the other thread. I agree with your sentiment.

"I do not appreciate India’s idea of democracy. I see great social injustice in India as a whole and also in the Punjab. I believe that Sikhs have had a raw deal ever since 1947. I also feel that the strength of the Punjab has been eroded ever since. We see that from the continuous division of the Punjab. I also find it deplorable because that division has crept into Sikhism its self. The “malavat” continues on a daily basis and many Sikhs are being divided from their own teachings. That is what worries me.

I want a fair deal for all Punjabi’s, not just Sikhs because we cannot build a Punjab based on division.

My brother, I respect your views but I also realise that mera Punjab is a beautiful place steeped in history and one day more blood is going to flow down its rivers."

Sardar_Ji · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2010, 08:56:38 PM »

Theek ji !! Manu jawab dean toa phela khalistan vali history pardhni penayi !! Begar information dae kyu time khraab karna thoda sab. Da thxx 4 time

Kudrat Kaur · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2010, 08:59:37 PM »

Quote from: LondonPunjabi on July 19, 2010, 08:48:26 PM

Kudrat ji. I wrote this on the other thread. I agree with your sentiment.

"I do not appreciate India’s idea of democracy. I see great social injustice in India as a whole and also in the Punjab. I believe that Sikhs have had a raw deal ever since 1947. I also feel that the strength of the Punjab has been eroded ever since. We see that from the continuous division of the Punjab. I also find it deplorable because that division has crept into Sikhism its self. The “malavat” continues on a daily basis and many Sikhs are being divided from their own teachings. That is what worries me.

I want a fair deal for all Punjabi’s, not just Sikhs because we cannot build a Punjab based on division.

My brother, I respect your views but I also realise that mera Punjab is a beautiful place steeped in history and one day more blood is going to flow down its rivers."

Hanji London Punjabi
I was trying to say same thing.. Je kujh changa ya maada (bad) aa tah oh sare India di problem aa.. eve appa sare Divide hoke behge vekhna we will never be able to progress yowards development in this world..

LondonPunjabi · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2010, 09:02:33 PM »

Quote from: KUDRAT GREWAL on July 19, 2010, 08:59:37 PM

Hanji London Punjabi
I was trying to say same thing.. Je kujh changa ya maada (bad) aa tah oh sare India di problem aa.. eve appa sare Divide hoke behge vekhna we will never be able to progress yowards development in this world..

Bilkul Kudrat Ji, Bilkul.

Sardar_Ji · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2010, 09:06:58 PM »

Kudrat ji i m not agree with last one !!!!

Indian govt hate punjab !!! They dont help us !!!

Each so many farmer died!!!

No light

Farmer give food to other but they r cry each day

All skool in punjab r null

U know nothing dont make arguments

We know wat is truth !!! Dont say they r good

Kudrat Kaur · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2010, 09:11:54 PM »

Quote from: Gurpinder Mand on July 19, 2010, 09:06:58 PM

Kudrat ji i m not agree with last one !!!!

Indian govt hate punjab !!! They dont help us !!!

Each so many farmer died!!!

No light

Farmer give food to other but they r cry each day

All skool in punjab r null

U know nothing dont make arguments

We know wat is truth !!! Dont say they r good

Nai Gurpinder Raje.. mein kado Indian Govt bare kujh keha.. ih tah politics hai raje hun India vich aa kal Khalistan vich v hovegi..
But I love India, now, then and alwayz..

TheStig · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2010, 09:16:22 PM »

Quote from: Gurpinder Mand on July 19, 2010, 09:06:58 PM

Kudrat ji i m not agree with last one !!!!

Indian govt hate punjab !!! They dont help us !!!

Each so many farmer died!!!

No light

Farmer give food to other but they r cry each day

All skool in punjab r null

U know nothing dont make arguments

We know wat is truth !!! Dont say they r good

Based on what are you saying this?

Indian goverment kise di sagi nahi
politicians apni jeba bhar rahe ne. chahe hove punjab chahe gujrtat ya chahe bihar sare pase ehio haal hai.
khhooh de daddu wang na socho go to other states and ask people will have similar views what you have about punjab.

TheStig · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2010, 09:21:34 PM »

Quote from: KUDRAT GREWAL on July 19, 2010, 09:11:54 PM

Nai Gurpinder Raje.. mein kado Indian Govt bare kujh keha.. ih tah politics hai raje hun India vich aa kal Khalistan vich v hovegi..
But I love India, now, then and alwayz..

je inni gal sareya de samjh aajave ta gall hi ki si

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