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PJ Games / Re: boy ..........tey duptta kudi da
« on: September 06, 2011, 01:59:11 PM »
mera khyal tuc kehna chohnde o k 4 vicho sirf ik hi kudi ne dupatta lya hoya e n baki 3 just forgot their roots ? :thinking:

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PJ Games / Re: boy ..........tey duptta kudi da
« on: September 06, 2011, 01:43:21 PM »
mainu hwa chalan to prob ni meri kehda toodi udadi aa :D: mai eh puchna chohna k dupatta ik kudi da udya te baki tin kudia da ki kam mainu eh samjh ni aa rahi :D:

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Knowledge / Re: question of the day
« on: September 06, 2011, 01:31:01 PM »
eh section da te samj ni a rahi ki likhya mere punjabi font ni show hunde :sad:

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Discussions / Re: shromni committe elections ..????????
« on: September 06, 2011, 01:20:41 PM »
a usefull artical

Should Sehajdharis have a right to vote in SGPC elections?
H.S. Mattewal

Of late the question as to whether the Sehajdhari Sikhs should or should not have the right to vote in the SGPC elections has been agitating the Sikh community. The question has assumed particular importance in view of the resolutions passed by the SGPC proposing amendments to the Sikh Gurdwara Act, 1925, for limiting the right to vote only to the Keshdhari Sikhs as in the case of the Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Act, 1971.

This is a fundamental question, which has earlier also attracted strong views on both sides and needs to be decided after the widest possible discussion within the community and keeping in mind the interest of the community and the religion. And while doing so, it is important to keep in mind the admonition repeated frequently in Punjab newspapers Khalsa Samachar and Khalsa Advocate in the beginning of this century when similar issues were being debated that the greatest danger to Sikhs are Sikhs themselves and the tendency to forget the creed and message of the Gurus in the rush to control, to fight and to dominate.

The Sikh Gurdwara Act, 1925, was enacted as a result of sustained efforts and at the cost of tremendous sacrifices made by the community. About 40,000 Sikhs went to jail and 400 lost their lives during the struggle, it was drafted with the consent and support of Akali leaders and was enacted without opposition.

The definition of Sikh as given in the Act in 1925 was as under: “Sikh means a person who professes the Sikh religion” and in case any question arose as to whether any person is or is not a Sikh, he would be deemed to be a Sikh if he made the following declaration:

“I solemnly affirm that I am a Sikh, that I believe in Guru Granth Sahib, that I believe in the Ten Gurus and that I have no other religion.”

A Sikh more than 21 years of age was qualified to be an elector.

However, in 1944, a proviso was added to the Section 49 dealing with the qualification of electors to the following effect: “Provided that no person shall be registered as an elector who (a) trims or shaves his beard or keshas except in the case of Sehajdhari Sikhs; (b) smokes; (c) takes alcoholic drinks.”

By an amendment in 1959 a new Section 2 (10A), which defines Sehajdhari Sikh, was inserted: “Sehajdhari Sikh is a person: (i) who performs ceremonies according to Sikh rites; (ii) who does not use tobacco or kutha (halal meat) in any form; (iii) who is not a patit; and (iv) who can recite Mul Mantar.”

Now the question is: who is a Sikh? The term Sikh occurs about 100 times in Guru Granth Sahib. To be a Sikh rests on a commitment to follow Gurumat as opposed to Manmat. Guru Amar Das says, “He alone is a Sikh, a friend and a kin, who commits himself to Guru’s will.”

Guru Gobind Singh says: “Only those who keep alight the unquenchable torch of truth, and never swerve from thoughts of one God. Do not thus believe even by mistake. In fasting, monastic life of worshipping forbears, Such may be recognised as true members of the Khalsa...”!

Can it be said that only the Amritdhari or the Khalsa Sikhs are Sikhs, or do the Keshdharis and the Sehajdharis also qualify to be Sikhs? One view is that only those who believe in Guru Granth Sahib and have been initiated into the Khalsa by partaking of Amrit and maintain the Rehat are Sikhs. “The sense of belonging to the Sikh community requires both the belief in the teaching of the Adi Granth and the observance of the Khalsa tradition initiated by Guru Gobind Singh and there is no such thing as a clean shaven Sikh, he is simply a Hindu believing in Sikhism” (Khushwant Singh, A History of the Sikhs). This seems an extreme view and it excludes both the Keshdharis and Sehajdharis from the Sikh Panth and is not generally accepted.

The Keshdhari Sikhs are those who have not partaken of Amrit but believe in Guru Granth Sahib and obey the principal instruction of the Rahit, particularly keeping unshorn hair. They constitute a large percentage of the Sikhs and are accepted as members of the Panth. The main dispute that remains is regarding the Sehajdhari Sikhs.

Historians have noted that after the founding of the Khalsa, Guru Gobind Singh never forced his new discipline on all Sikhs. Among his most devoted followers were Bhai Nand Lal, Bhai Ghanaiya, Bhai Kirpa Ram, Bhai Lakhan Rai, Bhai Manua Bairagi, Bhai Hans Raj Bajpayee, etc. whose names are mentioned with respect in Sikh annals. They maintained their identity and position in the Panth as Sehajdhari Sikhs. “Thus a distinction was permitted to remain between a Sikh (disciple) and a baptised Singh, and this is how till lately a large body of Sikhs, called Sehajdharis, though outwardly not conforming to the symbols of the Khalsa, yet accepted the spiritual and social code of the Gurus and remained an inalienable and worthwhile part of the Panth” (A History of the Sikh People, World Sikh University Press, New Delhi, 1979).

Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha says “in contrast to baptised Sikhs, Sehajdhari is used for those Sikhs who do not adopt the Rahit of Kes, Sword and the Kach, but accept all other precepts and rituals of the Sikh religion. Besides Singhs, all the followers of Guru Nanak are included in the Sehajdhari group who are co-believers of the Sikh religion.” Bhai Kahan Singh warns that those Singhs who hate the Sehajdharis are not aware of the Sikh religion. He describes a Sikh thus: “A follower of Guru Nanak Devji who has embraced the Sikh religion of Satguru Nanak Devji, who believes in Guru Granth Sahib as his holy book and believes in the ten Gurus as one”.

In the Sikh Rahit Maryada which was drawn up by the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee in 1945 after widest consultation in India and abroad, a Sikh is defined to be a person whose faith is in one God, the ten Gurus and their teachings and the Adi Granth. In addition he or she must believe in the necessity and importance of Amrit and must not adhere to any other religion. It is thus clear that Sehajdharis are not excluded.

Bhai Ardaman Singh in his article “One Guru — One movement” writes, “Sikhs as a whole are also known as and called the Panth. The Panth includes all sorts of Sikhs whether perfect or imperfect, whether still novice or fully responsible, whether Sehajdhari or of any other samprada. Anyone who believes in the Guru and Gurbani and has faith in no one else, cannot be denied to be a Sikh, and therefore, is a member of the Panth.”

Thus, to now restrict the right to vote only to the Keshdhari Sikhs will be going against the long tradition of accepting the Sehajdharis Sikhs as essential members of the Panth and granting them the right to vote in elections to the SGPC since its inception in 1925.

Anyway, the matter needs wider debate and discussion at the Panthic level, the yardstick being the teachings of the ten Gurus enshrined in the Guru Granth Sahib.

To conclude, I again quote Kahan Singh, the venerated Sikh scholar whose warning seems particularly apposite today, “Those who create animosity and division by mixing up matters of religion, politics (niti) and society (samaj) are bound to suffer here (lok) and in the hereafter (parlok). They do not deserve the title of ‘human beings’ much less the title of ‘God’s Progeny.’ Those who belong to different religions and yet regard themselves as part of one ‘nation’ earn respect and honour.”

The writer is a former Advocate-General, Punjab.

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Knowledge / Re: question of the day
« on: September 06, 2011, 12:49:21 PM »
pehla koi eh daso eh likhya ki aa :dnk:

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PJ Games / Re: boy ..........tey duptta kudi da
« on: September 06, 2011, 12:33:34 PM »
oh te thik a k hwa chaldi c par dupatta ik da udya baki tina da kyo ni udya

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PJ Games / Re: boy ..........tey duptta kudi da
« on: September 06, 2011, 11:39:47 AM »
bai ji kudia char ne te dupatta ik da udya ehde ch ki raz e :lost:

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Fun Time / Re: girl friend
« on: September 06, 2011, 07:03:57 AM »
eh daso ta sahi likhya ki aa :waitin:

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Shayari / Re: jigra
« on: September 06, 2011, 06:07:17 AM »
ohi nai milda kito :hehe:

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thax bai ji maan bakshan layi. Boht sohni lagi thodi pj di journey. Eh jaan k v khushi hoyi k pj te chakar chukar v chal jande aa nai mai ta sochda c ainwe raula ee aa :hehe:

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PJ Games / Re: Truth abt urself & Wht made u smile today?
« on: September 06, 2011, 01:29:48 AM »
kamli chaa wali :D:
Chah meri rij rij kamli hoyi :D:

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Knowledge / Re: how do they do it
« on: September 05, 2011, 06:36:31 AM »
Factory Made (Lexus RX 350)

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Gup Shup / Re: ki e hona chahida?
« on: September 04, 2011, 11:35:20 AM »
ha ha ha eh power ta aje pure india nu ni mili bai ji ithe pj te kive milugi. Pehla ta mod nu chunan di power mango jehda koi fayda hau thonu

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Knowledge / Re: how do they do it
« on: September 04, 2011, 01:13:10 AM »
How a Revolver Works


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How an Airsoft gun works

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Knowledge / Re: how do they do it
« on: September 04, 2011, 12:46:55 AM »
"How Do They Do It" - Stolen Vehicle Assistance

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Pics / Re: Karam Singh Da bachpan
« on: September 03, 2011, 11:17:26 AM »
ha ha ha ha boht nice aa par ina gora ni c hunda :hehe:

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Fun Time / Re: Happy Birthday Gagan Bai
« on: September 02, 2011, 11:55:05 PM »
mubarka hon gagan bai ji janam din dia p:blowout:

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Knowledge / Re: how do they do it
« on: September 02, 2011, 12:04:40 PM »

one of my boys work in Recycling.... He asked me for a tour the other day... but man oh man that place smells bad :hehe: ... main teh ohnu kehha se salliya ethe teh banda smell sung sung he marr javve :hehe:
- luckily he is responsible for electronic side.. so he dont mind it much :loll:
ha ha ha koi gal ni jihne roj jana ohda nakk mar janda fir ohnu kuj ni pta lagda :D:

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How do they do artificial diamonds?

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Discussions / Re: *Ki Guru Nanak Dev Ji Budde San**
« on: September 02, 2011, 11:48:28 AM »
@ karam ,,, sakhiya de gal rahi thik aa guru nank dev ji to badh likhi gayi but ever u read sakhi by bhai bala ji ?? jo guru angad dev ji ne app likhwayi c .. oh koi suni sunai nahi c jo bhai bala ji ne akhi wekhiya ohi liokhwaya c .

@ muskan sis je koi 60-70 salan da ho janda meinu ni lagda oh jwana wang rehnda oh budha he hunda .

@ all je real pic dekni aa ta nanksar ja ke dekho bhora sahib ch jo baba nand singh ji ne painter nu guru nank dev ji de partakh darshan karke banwai c , tht shows real image of guru nank dev ji maharaj :)
sakhia chahe jad marzi likhia gayia hon par inha di sambh sambhal boht ghat hoyi te takreeban 1800 ad to bad inha nu dal khalsa ne dubara likhvaya te inha vich manmarzi de ferbadal v kite so ehna nu puri tra shudh manana aukha e. Fir v is discussion vich eh swal e k guru sahib dia pic zyadatar budhe hoya dia ne is di ki vjah e. Ithe is gal te koi behes nai k guru sahib di asli pic kehdi e. Fir v tuc dasya k nanak sahib di pic hai vadia gal e. Agar tuc oh pic kise tra upload kar sakde o ta meharbani hovegi.
Baki tuc guru gobind sahib ji di pic di gal kiti. Guru gobind sahib de sme tak kalaa da vikas boht ho chuka c te guru sahib de apne darbar vich 52 ratan san . So ohna de nal sambandit kafi pic mil jandia ne. Baki mai koi gehri research ni kiti bas generally gal kar riha :hehe:
Kuj hor pics pa riha

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pehli painting us ghatna di a jad guru sahib makka gye san
Doosri pic bare eh likhya hoya e k eh us sme di e jad guru sahib baghdad vich san te manya janda e actuall pic e.
Tisri pic vich guru sahib udasia vasde gharo chale san

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Knowledge / Re: how do they do it
« on: September 02, 2011, 02:09:30 AM »
This is Airplane Turbines. These are smaller turbines, not that powerfull either - Thermodynamics aa sabh.. small section of mechanical engineering

I was working in Siemens Canada.......- They make bigger turbines - Gas turbine for power generation........Those things are amazing n massive... Main oh assemble hundiya wekhiya, I was supervising the assembly for those turbines...

N Trust me those things make me High... :hehe: the facility was amazing too - Loved it!!  :happy:


owwww jhanda bai had a prestigious job :happy:

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How do they do it- Recycling

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