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« on: June 06, 2010, 05:03:46 PM »
Hello Kudrat Ji
Wow, these Indians are super. :won:
When I was young I could never spell "philatelic", I knew what it was but couldn't get my head around the spelling. I knew what it was because when I was very young I actually took part in Royal Mail philately. My God; it almost sounds like a sexual act (pardon my British sense of humour) X_X But I did collect stamps for a while until I got utterly bored of it and swiftly grew up. :happy:
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« on: June 05, 2010, 10:06:21 PM »
How interesting that you did not include most of George Bush's government. Considering there were at least a dozen Goldman Sachs ex CEO and Board Directors advising that government which conned the American people out of $700 billion to bail out Wall Street and do the American people know what happened to the money; I'd say an emphatic NO.
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« on: June 05, 2010, 10:01:57 PM »
Sorry Grenade Singh, with respect I feel you miss my point and I believe you didn’t understand where I am coming from on this. Secondly you simply cannot compare the Guru’s Jis’ sacrifices to that of Bhagat Singh. My point is that Bhagat Singh was sacrificed by others and was used as a political pawn; whereas the sacrifice made by our Guru Jis was something different. I also would like to point out that I believe in Shaheedi and acknowledge those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for their beliefs and freedom.
So I am afraid I have to make clear again that the two sacrifices do not compare at all.
Now, its 3.00AM here in London. I am off to get some sleep. But I will continue this with you tomorrow if you are around. Take care.
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« on: June 05, 2010, 09:10:58 PM »
Bhagat Singh is a hero of mine and it is with pleasure I write the following. It is entirely my own view.
It is well known that Bhagat Singh was disillusioned with Gandhi's methods of gaining freedom for India; some would argue it was for good reason. In his zeal to spiritualize the freedom movement, Gandhi made tactical mistakes, calling off the Non-Cooperation Movement is but one. There is a possibility that independence could have come sooner and partition may have been avoided. Remember that Bhagat Singh was only 23 when he was executed in 1931.
Bhagat Singh was no less patriotic than Ghandi; nor was Subhash Chandra Bose or for that matter Khan Bahadur Khan Rohilla in 1857. Let’s not forget; it wasn’t just Hindus and Sikhs who died for India, Muslims stood against the British too.
Bhagat Singh suffered from the lack of recognition for his cause. The Congress Party branded him a hothead even before the British did. This was a direct result of Gandhi’s influence on the Congress Party members.
Many Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims from Northern India never forgave Gandhi and Nehru for the bloodshed caused during the Partition and to this day some still feel that way. It also has to be borne in mind the Punjab covered an area from Pakistan’s NWF all the way to Delhi. It was probably the most powerful state of India and that power had to be broken. So, was that in the interest of the Nehru, Gandhi and the Congress Party? I guess that is another debate but it looks like it.
Bhagat Singh’s hunger strike in prison to get better conditions for prisoners (prisoners of Hindu, Muslim and Sikh faiths) is one of the most memorable events in the history of Indian freedom struggles. In their heart of hearts even the most ardent Congress Party supporters acknowledged this, most Punjabis certainly did. Remember we are talking about a period when there was no Pakistan.
Ghandi’s “Satyagraha” actually made Bhagat Singh a household name with Northern Indians and soon the whole of India knew of him. He became a hero who cared for his motherland. Even modern Indians recognize him; even if they don’t know what he actually did, indeed they know Bhagat Singh really matters despite all the efforts made by the Congress Party after India's independence, to ignore him.
To many Punjabis in 1931 it is precisely for this reason it was painful to realise that Bhagat Singh might have been saved with an effort by leaders of the Congress Party in general and Gandhi in particular. However, there are some who might argue that Bhagat Singh had to die in order to unite the people of India. I do not subscribe to that point of view. I believe that if people like him were not sacrificed partition might not have occurred.
People like Bhagat Singh are our nation's pride and should never be forgotten for they give us hope. It would be good for the current Bhangra generation to know of a man, who lived by his ideals till he breathed his last for his beliefs and the freedom of a nation.
There are many Indians and Pakistanis who believe to this day that Gandhi will not be forgiven for certain things. That does not make everyone a hater. Yes indeed Gandhi has become a legend. But that is more to do with the Congress Party immediately after 1947. After that Richard Attenborough’s movie added further kudos to Gandhi’s story. However the movie ignored a substantial part of his history.
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« on: June 05, 2010, 08:51:39 PM »
Wow, a Skyline. What's it like? I haven't driven one of those. Looks great. Gleaming red too. Good one!! Congrats. Those things really shift don't they? :won:
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« on: June 05, 2010, 08:02:34 PM »
Look, I hate to say this but people like her exist, all too much I’m afraid; what is shocking about her is that she is so young. Her passion, though misguided it might be, is exactly what can incite a riot and as you might be aware people like her grow up to be fundamentalist lunatics. Unfortunately, these lunatics cause mayhem and must never be simply dismissed and, to be honest, must be challenged at every level.
It is easy for westernised offspring of immigrants to simply write these people off. I tell you I go to India regularly due to family land issues (just like every other jat) and I have witnessed some of the most extreme speeches made by real fanatics; they are dangerous and are a cancer.
So please don’t just write these people off as bla bla types. Take them seriously because they are very dangerous.
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« on: June 05, 2010, 06:23:57 PM »
Well, Pakistan has a weak Government. It has lost control of its North Western provinces and at the same time allows its religious fundamentalist loonies to have a ridiculous amount of power. Frankly, Pakistan is on the edge of an abyss and it is heading towards a fall and I fear it might take many generations to recover. So much so that it has become a failed state.
The sad thing is that in the time it takes to recover instability will increase to a high level, poverty will be sky high (even higher than it is at the moment) and radicalised youth will carry on blaming everyone else but their own government. I would go so far as saying that Pakistan is impotent when it comes to law and order. Until the fundamentalist beardos are defeated many more will die.
Of course the worry is that it has nukes.
:woried:
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« on: June 05, 2010, 05:49:01 PM »
Bi eh banda ta kafi damagi hai. Mein ta ik gal he kavan ga "Bale Shera, chak de phate!"
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« on: June 04, 2010, 07:14:28 PM »
Menu ta apni Punjabi boli nal pyar a; baki pher saie
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« on: June 04, 2010, 04:43:36 PM »
Kerfuffle
Thank you, mind you I also realise it's a false economy to live in ignorance all the time as so many do.
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« on: June 03, 2010, 05:50:20 PM »
All astronauts go to India for training with the Punjab Police. The PP guys usually look for the nearest tree! I am sure there is a synthetic tree on board the spaceship.  :
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« on: June 03, 2010, 05:44:54 PM »
haha thats kool man
wasnt that the turbo charged one,because i've seen here few having turbo :D
how did u manage to attract women? :wait: you know what
hard to understand this species called - girl
Hi again
No, it was a (if I remember correctly)just an in-line 4 cylinder, 1962cc engine, normally aspirated. It was the "Duetto" model which had a rounded front. It was a really nice car when it ran properly. You really have to own an Alfa to understand how quirky they can be. You really have to belive in God to own one of them. :rabb:
I have no idea how I attracted the women. I was a student studying away from home. I guess I was a bit carefree. I was also one of the very few Indian guys at Edinburgh Uni at the time. I am sure it wasn't me and it was probably the car. Don’t worry; you’re not supposed to understand the ladies. That’s half the fun. :he:
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« on: June 03, 2010, 05:27:39 PM »
Kerfuffle
Thank you for posting the poem. It was a poem that I covered when I was at school and it was indeed the inspiration behind the thread.
However, we mustn’t get yearning for knowledge confused with ignorance as you have already stated. But if we stay true to the question we can deduce that in some circumstances ignorance has to be bliss.
To me ignorance is either real or it is chosen; they are two different things. Ignorance can be bliss just as much as knowledge can be torture. Let me explain; say you are a passenger on an airliner. Picture yourself with a nice complimentary glass of Champaign or what ever your pleasure might be. Sitting there dreaming of your favourite things in life. But you don’t know that the aircraft is heading straight for a mountain. You are about to die. Ignorance is bliss.
But now picture yourself as the pilot of the same aeroplane. You can see the mountain, you can’t do a single thing about it and you realise that the plane will disintegrate when it smashes into the rocks. Your whole life flashes by you and you think of your family; you might have children. If you are a believer then you might even think of your creator. That knowledge would be torture.
But in general I agree with your sentiment.
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« on: June 02, 2010, 08:39:32 PM »
thats great man
i think u like cars .. thanks man for coming cuz i like people who like cars :D
Yeah, you are right there brother. I do like cars. But I also like classic cars. My first ever car was a 1978 Alfa Romeo 2 litre Veloce Spider Convertible. Girls used to love it. The stupid thing used to break down all the time :happy:
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« on: June 02, 2010, 08:33:30 PM »
Really nice Post..We need these kind of posts..All r mine Fav..I Love to Speak in Punjabi..I dont know about others..but two of mine classmates were Pakistani here..They speak so fluent Punjabi.. As far As i know..they r really nice human beings too..Country doesn't matter Above all we r human beings..
Kudrat Garewal ji
Thanks for your kind words. Don't worry, I will post some real thought provoking posts to keep the grey matter that is our brain working.
I love Punjabi too. Here in the UK, I have some really good Punjabi friends of both sexes and of all three of the main religions of the Punjab.
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« on: June 01, 2010, 09:26:06 PM »
you don't have to send me any link brother I know these cars, they are in my blood
Jaguar XKR is a nice car what year is it?
Maserati Grandturismo sounds so good man , I have driven a Maserati quattroporte, thats the 4 door one its a huge car I like it, I am not going to buy any of those man too expensive. I like maserati MC12 :happy: check that out
Is you xkr convertible or a hard top?
The XKR is 2008, black hard top. I bought a used one last year, it only had 16,000 miles on the clock. UK doesn't get enough sunshine for a soft top.
I also have a Mercedes 560SEC 1991. That car is my pride and joy. It is in pristine condition and has an immaculate V8. It’s amazing really; it is 19 year old and still only has 65,000 on the clock. I love that car.
Its 2.15 am here in the UK. I am out.
Take care brother.
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« on: June 01, 2010, 09:12:50 PM »
Bliss through ignorance denies the essence of life and the problems of humanity. To live without using your ability to discover, to learn, to facilitate positive change in the world, you are denying yourself the ability to live fully and leave the world better than you found it. Ignorance makes you part of the problem, knowledge makes you part of the solution.
"Knowing others is wisdom, knowing yourself is enlightenment.”
“Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.”
But ignorance does NOT give you ANY probabilities because to live in bliss would mean you don't need knowledge as there would be no need for it. By deffinition Bliss can be a state of profound satisfaction, happiness and joy. It can also be constant state of mind undisturbed by gain or loss.
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« on: June 01, 2010, 08:58:16 PM »
Yes I have driven that car last week my friend got it :) I have the pic in my profile pictures album .
I did about 140 in that car . but economy wise aint that good
I drove one here in the UK last6 year, it's not bad but the fuel efficiency aint that good, your right. But I do like the suicide doors on it.
But talking about cars, I drove a Maserati Gran Turismo. I kid you not it is one of theeeeeee finest cars I have ever driven. I have a Jaguar XKR at the moment but that Maserati is something else.
Here's the link for Maserati
http://www.maserati.com/
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« on: June 01, 2010, 08:48:41 PM »
Hi how are you all...
sat shri akal sab nuu... maii ethe new user haii..
so plz mera welcome karoo... :he: :he: :he:
Oh kidda Gurcharan Sian, kiddan turya si?. Aja beh ja. Das; ki seva karyeh. Oi Ramu do cup cha di lyai nal ladoo vi leaunay. changa? Oyi Ramu, tehnu sunia ke nahi? Ki karyeh, vichara thoda bola a. :blah:
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« on: June 01, 2010, 08:10:49 PM »
Ya man, if you look at the Mazda RX8 engine you'll see how tiny it is and yet the RX8 will hit 0-60mph in about 6secs. Not bad for a single cylinder.
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