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Jatt is not a caste, but a race Read more: Jatt is not a caste, but a race
« on: December 02, 2010, 12:20:21 AM »
The biggest Misconception regarding the term "Jatt" is defining it as a "Caste" as per the standards set by the Indian Caste System. Nothing can be far away from truth as this misconception. The fact that Jatt is a Race has been widely supported by both historians and raciologists working in this field and has been discussed in detail. Here are some negations and rebuttals to the false claim that Jatt is a so called "Caste". These rebuttals have not been and cannot be negated and the truth lies in the fact that Jatt is a Race and not a Caste as traditionally thought. Here are five rebuttals that will prove this point.

Rebuttal 1 - ETHNIC NATURE: If you look at the Nature of a "Caste", you will notice that its spread throughout India. Eg Caste consists of professions divided into four Categories called Varnas. The Caste System, in its present form, is further based solely upon birth. Thus, as per Caste Rules, Farmer Profession is categorized under Vaisya Category (Varna). And Remember that as per Caste SYSTEM in its present form, this is to be based upon Birth i.e. Farmer's son MUST ONLY be Farmer if Caste System has to be maintained. This point will further be used as a rebuttal in proving how Jatt is not a Caste. Now talking about Ethnicity, you will notice that Caste is not Ethnic in nature at all. Eg a Priest living in North of India will belong to a Brahmin Caste and a Priest living in South of India will also belong to Brahmin Caste. THERE IS NO ETHNIC SIMILARITY HERE. In the same way, NOTE VERY CAREFULLY that a Farmer of North India will be a Vaish and a Farmer of South of India will also be a Vaish. This Logic leads us to conclude that IF Jatt is a Caste (assuming the proposition that Jatts are Farmers) then Jatts must also be Present uniformly throughout India, (just like Brahmins) the land where Caste System is present. But observation tells us that Jatts are only present in Punjab, Haryana and parts of Uttar Pardesh. This gives an Ethnic Nature to Jatt Identity strongly proving the case that assumption "Jatt means Farmer" is false and thereby further concluding assumption that Jatt is a Caste is False too. FIRST REBUTTAL OVER.

Rebuttal 2 - RACE PRESENCE: It should be noted that this discussion is yet not concerned with Historical viewpoint and raciological and archaeological study of Jatt History. Its just about rebuttals to how Jatt is not a "Caste". What it is then, is a matter of study that will be made in further papers.
Caste is present in different Races. Eg Priestly Caste Brahmins are present in South Indian Dravidian Race as well as in North Indian Races. If its assumed that Jatt is a caste, why then are there no Jatts in, lets say, Dravidian Races? Again, the Ethnic Nature Rebuttal further strengthens this point and further helps this rebuttal in making yet another point in how Jatt is not a Caste.

Rebuttal 3 - FUNDAMENTALS OF CASTES: All the fundamentals, rules and regulations of Castes are goverened by Religious Law Books such as Manusmriti written by a man called Manu. All of these books are part of Hinduism, written by Hindu Mystics. Two thirds of Jatt Community does not follow Hinduism and thereby Manusmriti, that defines and regulates the basic backbone of Caste System holds no relevance for this two thirds of Jatt Community who are not Hindus but are Jatts. Yet another strong rebuttal as how Jatt is not a Caste.

Rebuttal 4 - PROFESSIONAL NATURE OF CASTES: Castes are professional in nature. Though Caste System further makes it a compulsion to make it based upon birth. But Jatts can be found in just any profession: Business, Politics, Sports and so on. Proving further Jatt is Not a Caste.

Rebuttal 5 - CASTE-EXCOMMUNICATION: This is yet another important point. As a punitive measure, the Caste of a person can be degraded if some pre-defined rules are not set i.e. a person who is a Brahmin can be degraded to a Shudra Caste and so on. Thus Caste follows the rule of Ex-Communication. But a Jatt born among the Jatts can, under no condition, be ex-communicated. Good or Evil, a Jatt shall always remain a Jatt.

Together, the above five points of rebuttals thereby confirm the fact that - without doubt that Jatt is not a Caste.

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« on: December 02, 2010, 12:20:21 AM »

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Re: Jatt is not a caste, but a race Read more: Jatt is not a caste, but a race
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 12:31:06 AM »
intersting miss simar

I wonder whys thats missing evidence of the points that were illustrated. Its more sort of a logical sequence they used to elaborate this caste thing.
Jatt is not a caste ..? hmm don't know lets see what people has to say
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Re: Jatt is not a caste, but a race Read more: Jatt is not a caste, but a race
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2010, 06:02:30 AM »
But then again I wonder.
How come Sikhi teaches us we are all one the same.
So castes aren't allowed.
I'm pretty sure people use JATT as a caste more then a race.
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Re: Jatt is not a caste, but a race Read more: Jatt is not a caste, but a race
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2010, 06:26:35 AM »

mera reply thoda hatt k ai lol i mean main eh jatt waad di baihs ch ni paina chaonda jo manni jaanda manni jaan do. why??
follow down:-

Actually mainu te indian system ni samz aya ajj takk sab poochh waalei ai uthe u knw wt i mean by poochh waale means bande te ho ni sakde....

1. Bharat dharm nirpakh desh hai.. jithe sabh dharma nu iko jiha samziya jawega .. dharm de naa te koi bhed bhaw nahi hovega..


2. Bhart da law jaat-paat de against hai .. sabh BHARTI sirf bharti hann te uh na di koi hor jaat nahi ai...


3 Bhart da sanvidhaan sariyan bhashawaan da satikar karda hai te bhasha de naa te koi bhatwara nahi keeta jaanda...
 
answers:-
answer 1.  is dharm nirpakh desh vich jiniyan v androoni ladayian hoyan sab dharm de naa te hoyan . ajj tak kisei v zimeiwaar bande nu sazza ni mili.. India ch jo likhiya ya te uh sahi nahi te ya
lok.. india nu ajj v Hindostan kiha jaanda means Hinduan da desh


anmswer 2. Is mahan Desh ch reservation jaat-paat de naa te hundi ai, election seats, jobs even in study time also.... jo k income base te honi chahidi ai... eh jaat-paat de against kidan ho gaya???


answer 3. Bhart di states di wand boli de base te hoyi ai yaa dharm de base te ki sabh bharti ne uthei....

edan hi jattan di gall ai je kush reserve karna te jatt kaom hai cast hai te ehna nu kush ni milna j waise pusho te eh koi kaom nahi...


vaise main personaly sab jaata dharma de against haan.......


100 vichon 99 be-iman mera bhart mahan  :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited:



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Re: Jatt is not a caste, but a race Read more: Jatt is not a caste, but a race
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2010, 06:41:47 AM »
Kangroo veere Topic is about JATT tusi india nu leh ke beh gaye  :happy:
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2010, 07:32:13 AM »
kudrat ke sab bnde

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Guru Nanak Dev Ji neh caste system ni maneya ...ohna lai sab ikko neh...ta thusi kio fark rkh de oh. KOi jatt hove..lubana hove..saini hovee...so watttttttt haga ta insaan hi...ode vi doh akhan ik nak hath peir ne... kera koi janwar ah... lokhan di soch bht putti ah ...21 century ch rekhe ehe 500 saal purane zamane ch fasse hoye ah...jao jake dehati bnjo sab... hahaha  :happy:


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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2010, 07:34:57 AM »
ws i supposed to argue da rebuttals too  :lost:
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Re: Jatt is not a caste, but a race Read more: Jatt is not a caste, but a race
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2010, 06:45:57 AM »
Quote from: ©od€nam€ 47 on December 02, 2010, 06:41:47 AM
Kangroo veere Topic is about JATT tusi india nu leh ke beh gaye  :happy:
mera means k india ch ki likhiya jatt cast hai ja nahi

so mere kain da matlab ehi c k uthei jo likhiya ho sakda uh galat howei te ho sakda sahi hovei..

oh te india ch cast baare ki likhiya us baare c baaki jatt di hond jo

oh farmer tonh baad di ai jadd farmer independent ho k kheti karn laga taanh usne jatt da roop liya kionke kissan means sirf kheti karn waala c jo k us time te muzaara hunda c jo zimidaaran layi kheti karda c .. jatt means apni hi zameen te kheti karn waala its defrent between jatt and farmer...

jo gall punjab hariyana te uter pardesh di ai ithei hi landlord kheti karde ne baaki states ch is layi jung chal rahi ai k uh v jatt bann sakn jidan east india ch naksalite , ya maovaadi apni jung ladd rahei ai uhna di jung jatt ban-n layi ai kionke uh v chaunde ne k jo kheti karda zameen usei di hundi ai...


its my own words jeede naal melde kush articals padei c main uhi likhan di koshish keeti ai jo india waala topic c uh v ehi dasn di koshish c...


but hun jattan kush ede arth badl laye ne gurpreet ghugi da song jo jasbeer jassi di awaz ch c uh jattan di paihchaan dasda ...


bakki aggei baihs karde rahange ... 

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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2010, 12:32:49 PM »
Quote from: ~GOL GAPPII~ on December 02, 2010, 07:32:13 AM
kudrat ke sab bnde

kudrat ke sub bande--awal allah noor oopaya visit [url=http://www.shabad.weebly.com]www.shabad.weebly.com[/url]

Guru Nanak Dev Ji neh caste system ni maneya ...ohna lai sab ikko neh...ta thusi kio fark rkh de oh. KOi jatt hove..lubana hove..saini hovee...so watttttttt haga ta insaan hi...ode vi doh akhan ik nak hath peir ne... kera koi janwar ah... lokhan di soch bht putti ah ...21 century ch rekhe ehe 500 saal purane zamane ch fasse hoye ah...jao jake dehati bnjo sab... hahaha  :happy:





jattan te ganey boht bande ta janta bhootri firdi
jhoothi shaan'ch fsi janta
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Re: Jatt is not a caste, but a race Read more: Jatt is not a caste, but a race
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2010, 07:41:21 AM »
hmm im not a jatt so i probably don't know about these things for me all are same :) IT doesnt really matter jad rab ne banun ch fark ni kita asi fark karan waale kaun hunde aa
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 08:54:03 AM »
jatt rocking buraaaaaaaaa@@@@@@'  eh jatt putre nhi firde veer,,,,kam ehna de awalee ne...baki choore chamara nu tah gallan aaundiya...kri jaooo.jatt alwayz best...jayada english likhn nal sach nhi badal janda
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2010, 09:32:20 AM »
Mai ji is behes ch te ni paina chonhda k jatt is what? Bt is topic de author ji nu ik gal zroor dasni chahuga jo zroori e .ohna ne apni gal nu sabit karan lai north india te south india nu compare kita e oh kuj sahi ni lagda. Kyo k north india te south india vich kuj sman hona bohut hi mushkil e oh is lai k south india vich zyadatar ik hi tra di rulership rahi e khas karke hindus di nd south india vich bahri hamle bohut ghat hoye is lai asi keh sakde a south india de lok otho de hi mool vasi ne . Is de ult north india vich bohut sare rulers ne raj kita jinha vicho zyadatar videshi san so ithe cultures de vich kafi mixing hoyi e punjab nd pure north india vich bohut sare lok bahro a k vse so ithe tuc eh keh sakde o k north india da culture nd lok itho de mool vasi nai ne ise karke inha de culture riti rivaj smajik tana bana te bhasha jisnu is topic vich mukh adhar bnaya gya e bilkul vakhri e so north india te south india vich copareson karna tarksangat nai e. So is vishe bare kuj hor maulik tatha d khoj zroori e ji . Dhanwad
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2010, 11:45:04 AM »
Quote from: The desi dude on December 06, 2010, 09:32:20 AM
Mai ji is behes ch te ni paina chonhda k jatt is what? Bt is topic de author ji nu ik gal zroor dasni chahuga jo zroori e .ohna ne apni gal nu sabit karan lai north india te south india nu compare kita e oh kuj sahi ni lagda. Kyo k north india te south india vich kuj sman hona bohut hi mushkil e oh is lai k south india vich zyadatar ik hi tra di rulership rahi e khas karke hindus di nd south india vich bahri hamle bohut ghat hoye is lai asi keh sakde a south india de lok otho de hi mool vasi ne . Is de ult north india vich bohut sare rulers ne raj kita jinha vicho zyadatar videshi san so ithe cultures de vich kafi mixing hoyi e punjab nd pure north india vich bohut sare lok bahro a k vse so ithe tuc eh keh sakde o k north india da culture nd lok itho de mool vasi nai ne ise karke inha de culture riti rivaj smajik tana bana te bhasha jisnu is topic vich mukh adhar bnaya gya e bilkul vakhri e so north india te south india vich copareson karna tarksangat nai e. So is vishe bare kuj hor maulik tatha d khoj zroori e ji . Dhanwad

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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2010, 01:32:09 PM »
 :happy: bai ji mainu te punjabi nu pyar e bohut karda
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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2010, 01:32:54 PM »
 :happy: bai ji mai te punjabi nu pyar e bohut karda
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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2010, 01:45:07 PM »
main desi dude di gal nal sehmat ha bt jo gal meri knowledge wich a main 1 book read kiti c abt jatt casts menu jayeda yaad nai bcoz main jayeda nai c read kiti bass thodiya bahut jatt's sirname barey read kita c os book wich sarey sirname c te ohna di detail hun oh book usa wich a bcoz mere frnd de dad le gaye c nai te main os barey sari detail de dinda .........chalo hun topic te aaunda ohde wich likheya c k jehde jatt a oh indian nai hege oh sarey bahro aaye aa wakhrey wakhrey kabileya nu belong kardey a te wakhri wakhri countries nu kuch afganistan to aaye lyk har 1 sir name 1 wakhrey kabiley da hunda c te main bahut hairan hoyea read kark k kafi casts ehda diya c jo europe to aayia c bt fer ocheya k ehni hairani wali v gal nai bcoz hun v te asi move ho hi rahey ha 1 country to doosri country so aapne 100-200 pushta to baad ohna ne v ehi kehna k jatt india to aaye c europe wich lol ..............baki jatt & sikh wich bahut farq aa mere kehan da matlab a k jatt 1 caste a te sikh 1 panth .sikh koi v ban sakda lyk koi brahman , chamar koi v sikh ban sakda sikh means unity sri guru gobind singh g ne khalsa panth ( sikh panth ) sajheya c ta k asi discipline , unity & nature friendly reh sakiye te aapne te aaun wali har musibat nal 1 jutt ho k muqabla kar sakiye chahey oh musibat jung ladan di howe ya aapna mann dolan di aksar aapa sochdey ha k asi jatt hi sikh ha bt ehda nai a sikh koi v bann sakda bt ohde layi sanu khalsa panth de rastey te chal k bina kisey cast system nu mann k chalna pauga ....... baki main v sikh nai ha bas 1 jatt ha bt sikh banan di koshish kar reha ta k main es cast system to upper uth k aapne jeevan da asli arth samjh saka ........ baki j main tuhanu bore kita howe te muafi te koi bhull chuk ho gayi howe ta v muafi ...........waheguru g ka khalsa wahguru g ki fateh
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2010, 02:01:59 PM »
Yanky  =D>
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2010, 02:06:45 PM »
Quote from: y4nky baba on December 06, 2010, 01:45:07 PM
main desi dude di gal nal sehmat ha bt jo gal meri knowledge wich a main 1 book read kiti c abt jatt casts menu jayeda yaad nai bcoz main jayeda nai c read kiti bass thodiya bahut jatt's sirname barey read kita c os book wich sarey sirname c te ohna di detail hun oh book usa wich a bcoz mere frnd de dad le gaye c nai te main os barey sari detail de dinda .........chalo hun topic te aaunda ohde wich likheya c k jehde jatt a oh indian nai hege oh sarey bahro aaye aa wakhrey wakhrey kabileya nu belong kardey a te wakhri wakhri countries nu kuch afganistan to aaye lyk har 1 sir name 1 wakhrey kabiley da hunda c te main bahut hairan hoyea read kark k kafi casts ehda diya c jo europe to aayia c bt fer ocheya k ehni hairani wali v gal nai bcoz hun v te asi move ho hi rahey ha 1 country to doosri country so aapne 100-200 pushta to baad ohna ne v ehi kehna k jatt india to aaye c europe wich lol ..............baki jatt & sikh wich bahut farq aa mere kehan da matlab a k jatt 1 caste a te sikh 1 panth .sikh koi v ban sakda lyk koi brahman , chamar koi v sikh ban sakda sikh means unity sri guru gobind singh g ne khalsa panth ( sikh panth ) sajheya c ta k asi discipline , unity & nature friendly reh sakiye te aapne te aaun wali har musibat nal 1 jutt ho k muqabla kar sakiye chahey oh musibat jung ladan di howe ya aapna mann dolan di aksar aapa sochdey ha k asi jatt hi sikh ha bt ehda nai a sikh koi v bann sakda bt ohde layi sanu khalsa panth de rastey te chal k bina kisey cast system nu mann k chalna pauga ....... baki main v sikh nai ha bas 1 jatt ha bt sikh banan di koshish kar reha ta k main es cast system to upper uth k aapne jeevan da asli arth samjh saka ........ baki j main tuhanu bore kita howe te muafi te koi bhull chuk ho gayi howe ta v muafi ...........waheguru g ka khalsa wahguru g ki fateh
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2010, 04:17:06 PM »

The above artcile seems to be a bunch of BS. A lot of blabbering with no appropriate evidence whatsoever.
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2010, 06:18:05 PM »
Quote from: dab ch bandook on December 06, 2010, 08:54:03 AM
jatt rocking buraaaaaaaaa@@@@@@'  eh jatt putre nhi firde veer,,,,kam ehna de awalee ne...baki choore chamara nu tah gallan aaundiya...kri jaooo.jatt alwayz best...jayada english likhn nal sach nhi badal janda

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