Author Topic: Bhagat Singh - What Gandhi Did & Didn't Do. (Read 7791 times)

LondonPunjabi · « **on:** June 05, 2010, 09:10:58 PM »

Bhagat Singh is a hero of mine and it is with pleasure I write the following. It is entirely my own view.

It is well known that Bhagat Singh was disillusioned with Gandhi's methods of gaining freedom for India; some would argue it was for good reason. In his zeal to spiritualize the freedom movement, Gandhi made tactical mistakes, calling off the Non-Cooperation Movement is but one. There is a possibility that independence could have come sooner and partition may have been avoided. Remember that Bhagat Singh was only 23 when he was executed in 1931.

Bhagat Singh was no less patriotic than Ghandi; nor was Subhash Chandra Bose or for that matter Khan Bahadur Khan Rohilla in 1857. Let’s not forget; it wasn’t just Hindus and Sikhs who died for India, Muslims stood against the British too.

Bhagat Singh suffered from the lack of recognition for his cause. The Congress Party branded him a hothead even before the British did. This was a direct result of Gandhi’s influence on the Congress Party members.

Many Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims from Northern India never forgave Gandhi and Nehru for the bloodshed caused during the Partition and to this day some still feel that way. It also has to be borne in mind the Punjab covered an area from Pakistan’s NWF all the way to Delhi. It was probably the most powerful state of India and that power had to be broken. So, was that in the interest of the Nehru, Gandhi and the Congress Party? I guess that is another debate but it looks like it.

Bhagat Singh’s hunger strike in prison to get better conditions for prisoners (prisoners of Hindu, Muslim and Sikh faiths) is one of the most memorable events in the history of Indian freedom struggles. In their heart of hearts even the most ardent Congress Party supporters acknowledged this, most Punjabis certainly did. Remember we are talking about a period when there was no Pakistan.

Ghandi’s “Satyagraha” actually made Bhagat Singh a household name with Northern Indians and soon the whole of India knew of him. He became a hero who cared for his motherland. Even modern Indians recognize him; even if they don’t know what he actually did, indeed they know Bhagat Singh really matters despite all the efforts made by the Congress Party after India's independence, to ignore him.

To many Punjabis in 1931 it is precisely for this reason it was painful to realise that Bhagat Singh might have been saved with an effort by leaders of the Congress Party in general and Gandhi in particular. However, there are some who might argue that Bhagat Singh had to die in order to unite the people of India. I do not subscribe to that point of view. I believe that if people like him were not sacrificed partition might not have occurred.

People like Bhagat Singh are our nation's pride and should never be forgotten for they give us hope. It would be good for the current Bhangra generation to know of a man, who lived by his ideals till he breathed his last for his beliefs and the freedom of a nation.

There are many Indians and Pakistanis who believe to this day that Gandhi will not be forgiven for certain things. That does not make everyone a hater. Yes indeed Gandhi has become a legend. But that is more to do with the Congress Party immediately after 1947. After that Richard Attenborough’s movie added further kudos to Gandhi’s story. However the movie ignored a substantial part of his history.

Punjabi Janta Forums - Janta Di Pasand · « **on:** June 05, 2010, 09:10:58 PM »

Grenade Singh · « **Reply #1 on:** June 05, 2010, 09:14:20 PM »

Sometimes powerful sacrifices must be made for the furthering of a cause. If you don't believe it with Bhagat Singh. You have to believe it with Guru Arjan Dev ji and Guru Tegh Bahadur ji.

LondonPunjabi · « **Reply #2 on:** June 05, 2010, 10:01:57 PM »

Sorry Grenade Singh, with respect I feel you miss my point and I believe you didn’t understand where I am coming from on this. Secondly you simply cannot compare the Guru’s Jis’ sacrifices to that of Bhagat Singh. My point is that Bhagat Singh was sacrificed by others and was used as a political pawn; whereas the sacrifice made by our Guru Jis was something different. I also would like to point out that I believe in Shaheedi and acknowledge those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for their beliefs and freedom.

So I am afraid I have to make clear again that the two sacrifices do not compare at all.

Now, its 3.00AM here in London. I am off to get some sleep. But I will continue this with you tomorrow if you are around. Take care.

Kudrat Kaur · « **Reply #3 on:** June 06, 2010, 12:54:52 AM »

I would like to add some points too.. I respect both of them..I wont compare them both have put their gtreat efforts for India..
Mahatma Gandhi was for peace and non-violence. He attempted to drive out the British from the soil of India by the waves of non-violent movement. But As we know, British rule in India has been replete with tears and bloodshed, exploitation and oppression.

There has also been a sustained armed movement against the British Empire. Bhagat Singh was one of them. He was born in 1907. He was a great patriot from Punjab. His last wish was to study the life of V.I.Lenin. A few days before he was hanged to death by the British Raj he wrote ‘Why I am an Atheist?’ in the condemned cell in 1931. A section of the Indian communists campaigned that Gandhiji was not interested in saving Bhagat Singh getting hanged by the British.
But I have heard about that Gandhi Pleaded against Bhagat Singh's Death sentence..but of no use..May God give them eternal rest and may their soul rest in peace!

TheStig · « **Reply #4 on:** June 06, 2010, 01:21:22 AM »

thanks for adding that Kudrat ji
Different people say different things.
Just think yourself that why a person will support the british execution who himself believes in non violence.
I have great respect for both of them , they had their role in the freedom . There was no way you could have stopped the partition because british had their divide and rule policy which gave muslim leader some hopes about their own nation.
Oh well what you can do now.
thanks for the topic appreicate it

Grenade Singh · « **Reply #5 on:** June 06, 2010, 01:42:35 AM »

Quote from: LondonPunjabi on June 05, 2010, 10:01:57 PM

Sorry Grenade Singh, with respect I feel you miss my point and I believe you didn’t understand where I am coming from on this. Secondly you simply cannot compare the Guru’s Jis’ sacrifices to that of Bhagat Singh. My point is that Bhagat Singh was sacrificed by others and was used as a political pawn; whereas the sacrifice made by our Guru Jis was something different. I also would like to point out that I believe in Shaheedi and acknowledge those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for their beliefs and freedom.

So I am afraid I have to make clear again that the two sacrifices do not compare at all.

Now, its 3.00AM here in London. I am off to get some sleep. But I will continue this with you tomorrow if you are around. Take care.

I only gave Guru ji's example to clarify the point that sacrifices are needed sometimes. I have no intention of comparing Bhagat Singh to Guru ji.

While I have read some ill things about Gandhi and his beliefs (from his quotes), I am also a believer of non-violence. Most westerns connect non-violence with Gandhi immediately, whereas I've learned about the path of non-violence from our Guru ji.

Quote from: ©o∂€л@M€47 on June 06, 2010, 01:21:22 AM

thanks for adding that Kudrat ji
Different people say different things.
Just think yourself that why a person will support the british execution who himself believes in non violence.
I have great respect for both of them , they had their role in the freedom . There was no way you could have stopped the partition because british had their divide and rule policy which gave muslim leader some hopes about their own nation.
Oh well what you can do now.
thanks for the topic appreicate it

Gandhi did not believe in capital punishment. He once said, "I cannot in all conscience agree to anyone being sent to the gallows. God alone can take life because He alone gives it." But when you say "There was no way", I think you're indirectly saying that the path that Bhagat Singh and other freedom fighters took was doomed to fail, which I don't think it was.

TheStig · « **Reply #6 on:** June 06, 2010, 03:34:49 AM »

no bhaji i didnt mean that
path chahe jehra vi si maksad sirf azadi si

LondonPunjabi · « **Reply #7 on:** June 07, 2010, 06:04:21 PM »

For any one interested in reading some alternative view of Gandhi below is an interesting link. The article is entitled "Gandhi: Behind the Mask of Divinity"

http://www.sikhsundesh.net/gandhi.htm

LondonPunjabi · « **Reply #8 on:** June 10, 2010, 06:37:06 PM »

Here is a video which might shed some light on Gandhi

I must warn you that there are one or two swear words used. It is presented by Penn & Teller.


Western View about Indian father of nation Bapu, mahatma Gandhi and Sikhs Colonel Insulting Gandhi

Oranyo · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2015, 09:51:56 PM »

this video got really good evidence about gandhi's reality...specially naked part lol

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Account Deleted · « **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2015, 01:13:30 AM »

Gandhi (gandu) had sex with girls and was always half-naked.

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