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Discussion: Great Sikh Woman
« on: April 30, 2014, 10:05:48 PM »
Wokay lets see... k lets for argueement sake mann lainde wa in sikhi women r treated on same level as men .

K now av few questions (respectfully) ..

 How come women cannt lead in lavan JAD lavan ondia wa kuri nu agge kyo noi laia janda ?

How come we dunt see any woman in PANJ PYARAS ?

How come jadd lavan time oh granthi jad bolde wa  they mostly bride nu e bolde wa  groom noi inna noi ?

 moi oh shabads de gall noi karda pia jo shri guru granth sahib ji ander baba jis ne recite kitte wa...moi practical  munda wa te practical  cheeza de e gall karda wa  olwayz n for ever. So plz moinu changi trah samjaoo TY

To moi no matter wutz ur race religion or creed  women r NAWT  sad sangat ji WOMEN  r nawt treated on same level as men....N dats a shame.

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Discussion: Great Sikh Woman
« on: April 30, 2014, 10:05:48 PM »

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Re: Discussion: Great Sikh Woman
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2014, 10:40:06 PM »
I think the title of the post is "great sikh women" not hypocrisy in Sikhism.

That's another topic and discussion.

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Re: Discussion: Great Sikh Woman
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2014, 11:04:32 PM »

Risky, I would try to address your questions to the best of my knowledge. I am not a saint nor hold the proper understanding of Gurbani..so please considers my reply to your questions a mere "attempt" by someone who has limited knowledge.
1)  How come women cannt lead in lavan JAD lavan ondia wa kuri nu agge kyo noi laia janda-
     This is how you view the practice of Laavan.. practice of Laavan is a sign of equality not inequality. You view it as woman being inferior since shes walking behind, what if I say I view it as a master holding the horse by its ropes. Its a matter of opinion.
Laavan da path clearly states "They are not said to be husband and wife who merely sit together. Rather they alone are called husband and wife, who share one soul in two bodies"
One soul-two bodies.. woman and man complete each other. One a separate note, the message of Laavan is for both man and woman to worship the eternal lord and stay away from deception
2)  Panj Pyare-   When the initial initiation of Khalsa happened who were the five people that stood up- Bhai Dya Singh, Bhai Dharam Singh, Bhai Himmat Singh, Bhai Sahib Singh, Bhai Mokham Singh- all males,, since then the tradition has carried on.
However the women are in no way prohibited to carry on the Amrit Sanchar or hold path of Guru Granth Sahib...
I don't know what Granthi you've met- however the Granthis I've met try to teach the lesson to both the man and the woman.. we all know for a marriage to succeed it takes an effort from both.

...
On a complete separate topic.. Sikhism has always taught us to respect women.. we read it in Asa Di Waar every morning... "so kyon manda akhiye jit jamme rajan" Guru Sahib broke away from the society norms of treating women as "pairan di jutti" or "Keeping them in cover-Burkhas"
Women were given the equality to contribute to the religion- Mata Khivi ji. Whereas, in Muslims states "he had said once that it is better for the women to perform prayer at home, because there is more sawaab (reward) in that, and as we come here to earn sawaab, it is better to do this". (I do not contradict what muslims preach maybe it is the right way for them or their woman- who am I to judge). This is what Sikhi says- Bhai Gurdas ji di vaaran "Sharing in spiritual wisdom and enlightenment and with noble qualities endowed, a woman, the other half of man, escorts him to the door of liberation"
Sikhi has given the women full liberty to be on the war front as well- "Mai Bhago"- Guru Gobind Singh ji has stated the power of a woman in Dasam Granth as Chandi- Chandi- to whom devta like Indra had to go to seek protection. Countries like England have yet to declare full equality to women on the war front.
Women- Female- Maya- Chandi- are different Forms of Akal Purakh Shakti.
I do not disagree or ignore the fact how feticide and violence against woman  still exists in Punjab and Sikh families.. there is a lot of work to be done.. if every Sikh or male was to follow sikhi to the core.. they'll all be Gursikh with kesh and kirpan do the baani the path and respect women.

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Re: Discussion: Great Sikh Woman
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2014, 01:11:41 PM »
Risky, I would try to address your questions to the best of my knowledge. I am not a saint nor hold the proper understanding of Gurbani..so please considers my reply to your questions a mere "attempt" by someone who has limited knowledge.
1)  How come women cannt lead in lavan JAD lavan ondia wa kuri nu agge kyo noi laia janda-
     This is how you view the practice of Laavan.. practice of Laavan is a sign of equality not inequality. You view it as woman being inferior since shes walking behind, what if I say I view it as a master holding the horse by its ropes. Its a matter of opinion.
Laavan da path clearly states "They are not said to be husband and wife who merely sit together. Rather they alone are called husband and wife, who share one soul in two bodies"
One soul-two bodies.. woman and man complete each other. One a separate note, the message of Laavan is for both man and woman to worship the eternal lord and stay away from deception
2)  Panj Pyare-   When the initial initiation of Khalsa happened who were the five people that stood up- Bhai Dya Singh, Bhai Dharam Singh, Bhai Himmat Singh, Bhai Sahib Singh, Bhai Mokham Singh- all males,, since then the tradition has carried on.
However the women are in no way prohibited to carry on the Amrit Sanchar or hold path of Guru Granth Sahib...
I don't know what Granthi you've met- however the Granthis I've met try to teach the lesson to both the man and the woman.. we all know for a marriage to succeed it takes an effort from both.

...
On a complete separate topic.. Sikhism has always taught us to respect women.. we read it in Asa Di Waar every morning... "so kyon manda akhiye jit jamme rajan" Guru Sahib broke away from the society norms of treating women as "pairan di jutti" or "Keeping them in cover-Burkhas"
Women were given the equality to contribute to the religion- Mata Khivi ji. Whereas, in Muslims states "he had said once that it is better for the women to perform prayer at home, because there is more sawaab (reward) in that, and as we come here to earn sawaab, it is better to do this". (I do not contradict what muslims preach maybe it is the right way for them or their woman- who am I to judge). This is what Sikhi says- Bhai Gurdas ji di vaaran "Sharing in spiritual wisdom and enlightenment and with noble qualities endowed, a woman, the other half of man, escorts him to the door of liberation"
Sikhi has given the women full liberty to be on the war front as well- "Mai Bhago"- Guru Gobind Singh ji has stated the power of a woman in Dasam Granth as Chandi- Chandi- to whom devta like Indra had to go to seek protection. Countries like England have yet to declare full equality to women on the war front.
Women- Female- Maya- Chandi- are different Forms of Akal Purakh Shakti.
I do not disagree or ignore the fact how feticide and violence against woman  still exists in Punjab and Sikh families.. there is a lot of work to be done.. if every Sikh or male was to follow sikhi to the core.. they'll all be Gursikh with kesh and kirpan do the baani the path and respect women.


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Re: Discussion: Great Sikh Woman
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2014, 02:08:43 PM »
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Re: Discussion: Great Sikh Woman
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2014, 09:44:46 PM »
Mamu bro , itz gud to kno dat we av someone with intellets boud sikhism  on PJ now. moi  applaud ye fer dat =D> . But big bro ur answer is juss politically correct to moi, n balck n white  n in practial  world dats nawt how it goes....Assi shri guru granth sahib ji nu ta mande wa  but ke assi oh sub be mande wa jo  oss ander likya wa about women.. eh tonu moi toh jada pta wa ..moinu ta na e sikhi de ini samj wa na e punjabi di.

Ya  bunch of other things i found out today ... That women r nawt allowed to do KIRTAN SEWA in Shri Harimander  sahib sach khand .. is dat true ?

And women r nawt allowed to do shri guru grath shaib jis parkash in Harmandir sahib..which moi think they do   like 2 am in da morning ?

AND we claim shikhi vich women nu equality diti jandi wa .... Mamu bro moi ina smart n educated noi wa na e oinu ini akkal wa.. moi dunt wanna to step on anyones toes .. but  whn they brag boud women's equality in sikhism or in any religion it irritates moi. So vadd ghat boliya gia hobbe ta maaf karna ... baki mamu bi  mere questions da black n white cho pracital  answer den de try karna jina hoo sakke TY.... GUR FATEH.

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Re: Discussion: Great Sikh Woman
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2014, 11:29:17 PM »
"intellect about Sikhism" is a big phrase bro.. it was a beginner's effort..
Women can perform keertan Harmandar Sahib, however it took an effort to accomplish it, this happened in 1990, women jatha from US went and perfomed keertan there.
Anyways, how many time have you seen Woman as a fulltime granthi at a gurdwara? I've never seen a woman in that role, and parkash at Harmandar Sahib can only be done by Head Granthi. But, in general woman can do prakash of Guru Granth Sahib.

What you are talking about is hypocrisy- that does exist and I completely acknowledged it in my post. But, don't point a finger at my Guru Sahib, end of the day the fault lies within us that we fail to exhibit the qualities our Gurus preached.


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Re: Discussion: Great Sikh Woman
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2014, 12:21:20 AM »
Mamu bhaji i  aint nor i eva dare to point finger at gurujis  cz  they r nawt juss UR guru jis   they r ma guru jis as well. Ya ma mom is a south american but ma dad is a sikh...Ohh juss cz  moi asked crude questions dat doenst mean imma poitning finger at anyone... imma juss curious BTW sikhi/punjabi was introduced to moi  as a form of punsihment by a court judge .. long story ye r prolly new on PJ.. so anyway bhaji YOU shd dbl chk on ur stats @ women can do kirtan seva  in harimandir shaib ji .. cz i found it other way around... n ty fer ur valuable  time n patients ... Read dis bhaji:

https://www.facebook.com/sikhnet/posts/10150299567459226

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Re: Discussion: Great Sikh Woman
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2014, 12:33:31 AM »
http://www.mrsikhnet.com/2005/07/15/112148676901381254/
this is back in the 90s and Budda dal or Tarna dal nihungs completely supported them. the ideology is the Guru Granth Sahib.. its a class on how to act upon it.. its the same moment that US went through during civil right moments , right of quality stated by the constitution yet segregation continued. Sikhism needs the same reform..

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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2014, 12:45:50 AM »
u kno funny thing is  moi even asked boud all dis to a amrit dhari singh..  n he denied it i swear to lord he said nopeee women still  r nawt allowed to do kirtan , carry palki   in golden temple n yoo dat dude had sucha rage  on his face :loll: he  was  supportin da fact  dat women r nawt allowed. I kno ignorance is bliss Dts why moi nawt na huge fan of fundamentalists.

 

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